View Poll Results: What do you think about smoking in cars?

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  • It shouldn't be banned at all.

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  • I'm fine with Arkansas's current smoking law.

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  • I'd like to see the law applied everywhere.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Nothing should be done by you or by the government. My car, my kids, my problem. Not yours. Mind your own business. That's what I say.
    Like hell. The state can protect your children from abuse. Nobody disputes that. So you're damn right we'll mind your business. Now, back to the question, which is whether smoking is one of those cases where the state should intervene. No more of this silly absolutism.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I was warned by admin about making personal attacks, so I will just leave it at this -. Live and let live. No one is looking to you to be the moral arbiters of morality, health or ethics. In fact, many might think it quite appropriate if you could limit your judgements to yourselves on these matters. I would suggest you'd me doing the rest of us a favor by sparing us your self-righteousness. Thank you.
    This has nothing to do with morality, unless you consider the fact that it is a moral imperative to protect the health of children.

    You're a smoker, so maybe you had such an incredible overreaction because you're used to being attacked for smoking. Well, this has nothing to do with you smoking. Smoke all you want. This is about children being exposed to smoke.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Earlier today I heard a conversation about Arkansas, and the illegality of smoking in cars with the windows up. According to them, it's illegal to smoke in a car with children that are, iirc, 6 years of age or younger? I don't know which law this is, and have beeb searching for it to find out exactly what the law entails.

    I have this link that seems to support the conversation I heard: Law on smoking in car with children could change Arkansas - The Debate Team - BabyCenter

    Assuming this is true, I have no problem with the law.

    In fact, I'd like to see smoking in cars with the windows up completely banned, because I've heard 2nd/3rd-hand smoke is pretty dangerous.

    Would you like to see this law applied for the whole country? What do you think?
    I have mixed feelings on this. I do believe parents should be banned from smoking around their kids. I have friends who do not smoke around their kids,so its not that hard for smokers to go outside to light up or to smoke in a designate room in the house. If you want to stick dangerous smoke down your lungs that's your business however you should not force your children to breath in dangerous smoke, especially in an enclosed environment such as a car. If a parent forced her child to drink liquor I am pretty sure the state would consider that child abuse.Forcing a child to breath in cigarette smoke should be no different. My mother smoked around me and my sisters when we were growing up so I know for a fact you are breathing that smoke in and I used to smoke so I am not some anti-smoking nazi obsessed with banning smokes. My main worry with making this illegal is how to do it to make sure its enforced with out having the government another license to infringe on your rights.Doing this might open the door to anti-fast food nazis who want to stick their noses into other people's business.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What's the danger? Is it more harmful than say, feeding their kids too much fast food?
    I don't know. You want to put fast food on the list for the next thread to open?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing, mind your own business.
    That's like saying if a parent beats their child with an extension cord and leaves bruises then do nothing and mind your own business.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Due to the restrictions of this site, my response must be muted, yet at the same time in context my contempt cannot be denied. A slew of adjectives would normally follow, but in light of the situation I can only express my contempt once again.
    Why don't you be an adult and simply discuss the issue? You have no reason for contempt for me. I'm simply saying that it's justified for the state to forbid parents from exposing their children to harmful fumes. So simply explain why you think it shouldn't, using a rational argument.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Smoker's denial...clearly. I don't have to prove anything. Proof is on any search engine. Its everywhere.
    Erm..yes, you do have to prove that in-car passive smoking is a greater risk than a dozen other potential health risks that parents subject their kids to. If you can't then advocating such measures is tokenistic hypocrisy.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Doesn't the same apply to exhaust fumes? Or pesticides you decide to spray on your hedges by the roadside? Or the sugar-laden, trans-fat-laden, salt-laden foods you feed your kids? Unless you can prove that secondary smoking is THE most noxious and dangerous activity you can perform in the company of others you are opening yourself up to claims that you are being tokenistic for purely modish, moralistic reasons.
    No, because that's only half the equation. There are different costs and difficulties associated with regulating other risks. It's quite easy to simply say no smoking in the car with kids. There's no good reason to allow it. It's a minor burden on parents, that's all. They need to open a window or don't smoke. Big deal.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Oh what the hell...here's a bit of info that is loaded with over 700 pages of scientific study on the effects of second hand smoke. I realize that there are a few in this forum that probably would have difficulty in understanding the reports and will still refute the scientific findings no matter what the studies report. But...that's how denial and ignorance works.

    http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...fullreport.pdf

    And for all of you that have little to no respect for the health of children (and probably more so their own kids)...because it interferes with their addiction....

    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_inf...GenPop_508.pdf

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Proof please. Proof that specifically relates to children and cars. The average car journey is something like 17 minutes, I believe. If you are calling for a ban on secondary smoking in cars, why not in private house where exposure is going to be far higher?
    I'd do that too.
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