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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Tobacco is legal and I do not support a ban on smoking in your own car with the windows rolled up. However, if you have children in the car and if there are documented health risks involved with smoking in a car with children (I'm not saying they don't exist, but I would like to see the data) then I would support a ban on the grounds of protecting the children and their health.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Who cares if it's legal?

    The problem I have with this sort of debate is that the idea that "government shouldn't be involved" is useless on this issue. It's already involved, in many ways. Arbitrarily saying "no because they shouldn't", is not justifiable.

    In this case, I'm hearing on the news about the future of healthcare, states may be deciding along with the federal government, what health insurance plans can look like, etc. Well, will they force me if I have insurance, to in effect subsidize smokers and obese people? Because if they do, the damage to my rights in my case *is already done*. And since I don't smoke, and am not obese (and eat healthy and exercise because I'm not a moron), I won't be hindered *at all* by anti-smoking laws, or anti-fatass laws, but I WILL benefit from them. So yeah, I may not want government to dicatate how I live my life, but if they are ALREADY CHARGING ME FOR LIVING, the idea that I can't then promote their dictatation in ways that limit me the least, is absurd.

    That's the dillema with significant government involvement, once you start, it's hard to draw any lines because for every line you draw you cross two others.

    Don't make me pay for the poor life choices of others, and they are free to make their poor choices all day long.
    But - take away my right not to be forced to subsidize bad life choices, and I damn sure am justified in limiting that by whatever means are available. WHen I'm subsidizing their asthmatic 6 year old for LIFE because of the damage of smoking, it is not a simple question of anything so juvenille as "smoking is legal", or "it's their right".
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but you made your post opposed to subjecting children to second hand smoke and then compared that to the different effects of auto exhaust fumes
    unless you were making a comparison to present that the exhaust fumes posed a lesser risk there would have been no point to your introducing such a comparison
    which is what caused your post to be found so foolish
    What part of "Cigarette smoke is different than car fumes. Secondhand smoke can still cause cancer, over enough time," was a comparison of secondhand smoke being subjected to children... and the different effects of auto exhaust fumes?

    Hey, wait a minute. When did I ever mention "different effects?" Weird man... How did those words get in my mouth...?

    Sometimes, Bubba, a statement doesn't have to have a point, so long as it's true. Kinda like the statement: "You misread my posts, read too deeply into them, and are trying vainly to create and combat arguments that I've never made."

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What should be done if a parent has the car windows up, is smoking, and has two children in the back seat?
    The children should be taken away and given to a liberal family that smokes pot in their car. Pot is safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The children should be taken away and given to a liberal family that smokes pot in their car. Pot is safe.
    I don't know any liberals that support marijuana legalization who also advocate driving while high on marijuana because it's "safe."
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    There's an old saying: You have the right to swing your fist at my nose...up to the point just before making contact. After that you've infringed on my rights. Same goes with cigarette smoke.

    Tobacco is legal. How and where you use it...isn't always legal. Using tobacco products is only legal where permitted...period.

    Cigarette/cigar companies have conceded that cigarette smoking is both addictive and dangerous and can cause untold number of lung diseases and up to the point of causing death.

    Kids can't defend themselves against harm from their parents. Yes, being a bad parent can be punishable if they put their kid's health and lives in jeopardy. Child protective service organizations in every state have 10s of thousands of kids in their ward because of bad parents.

    I have the right to bear arms. I don't have the right to use my weapon anywhere or fire on anything I choose at will. Essentially it's been medically and legally established that second hand smoke has the same potential effects of breathing a bullet discharged from a weapon. The difference is the speed in which the results of the effects are known. In other words, if it doesn't kill you...it can seriously **** you up.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't know any liberals that support marijuana legalization who also advocate driving while high on marijuana because it's "safe."
    I doubt you know all liberals, so it's possible.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The children should be taken away and given to a liberal family that smokes pot in their car. Pot is safe.
    Quit baiting.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I doubt you know all liberals, so it's possible.
    It might be possible, but the fact is that a vast majority of liberals would not advocate for smoking marijuana and driving while high.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    There's an old saying: You have the right to swing your fist at my nose...up to the point just before making contact. After that you've infringed on my rights. Same goes with cigarette smoke.
    Doesn't the same apply to exhaust fumes? Or pesticides you decide to spray on your hedges by the roadside? Or the sugar-laden, trans-fat-laden, salt-laden foods you feed your kids? Unless you can prove that secondary smoking is THE most noxious and dangerous activity you can perform in the company of others you are opening yourself up to claims that you are being tokenistic for purely modish, moralistic reasons.
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