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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I was warned by admin about making personal attacks, so I will just leave it at this -. Live and let live. No one is looking to you to be the moral arbiters of morality, health or ethics. In fact, many might think it quite appropriate if you could limit your judgements to yourselves on these matters. I would suggest you'd me doing the rest of us a favor by sparing us your self-righteousness. Thank you.
    You got a mod on you about what you said? Sheesh. To be a personal attack, I would think you'd have to be attacking a person. Attacking a group of people whose opinion (that they should control your decisions in such detail) differs from yours and exclaiming how they make you feel (sick), doesn't seem to be offensive to me (speaking as one of the people who on the state level believe I should have the right to control your decisions in such detail)

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    while i am opposed to the new nanny law, i cannot agree with this extreme

    allowing toddlers to stand in the passenger seat of a moving car (for example) is stupid parental behavior which should not be tolerated
    sometimes we must step in and protect the child from the parent's recklessness
    in the matter of second hand smoke, the cost of government intrusion outweighs the potential health benefits which might otherwise accrue
    Show evidence for that please. As said before, it can just be pulling someone over if the behavior is seen.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    carbon monoxide is deadly. cigarrete smoke is deadly.

    and yet, no one wants it to be illegal to expose kids to CO fumes that come from car tailpipes.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    You got a mod on you about what you said? Sheesh. To be a personal attack, I would think you'd have to be attacking a person. Attacking a group of people whose opinion (that they should control your decisions in such detail) differs from yours and exclaiming how they make you feel (sick), doesn't seem to be offensive to me (speaking as one of the people who on the state level believe I should have the right to control your decisions in such detail)
    He was basically saying that Misterman was in idiot in one of his previous posts.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Anyone see the irony here?
    Indeed! And I can follow that up by expressing my contempt. The key here my 'progressive friend', is that it is impersonal.

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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    carbon monoxide is deadly. cigarrete smoke is deadly.

    and yet, no one wants it to be illegal to expose kids to CO fumes that come from car tailpipes.
    If any evidence shows that fumes have the same effect as cigarette smoke I could deal with this.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Indeed! And I can follow that up by expressing my contempt. The key here my 'progressive friend', is that it is impersonal.
    Child rape is "personal", using that logic. Just sayin'
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why bother to have car seats mandatory?
    You can clearly demonstrate through test and data that it has a positive effect on a child's health.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why bother to have no open alcohol containers a law?
    That's a good one. I think open alcohol containers should be in general allowed so long as the driver is under the legal limit.

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    Why bother to have laws against texting and driving?
    You can produce data demonstrating the unnecessary risk it causes to others on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    All these things are laws to prevent harm. But those who do these things are not necessarily going to cause harm just because they do these things or break these laws, especially the open container one.
    Yet all (barring the open container one) has data to support the ban. I've merely asked for quantitative measurement and data of the system such that we can know the parameters under which we are operating. Is that somehow a bad thing to ask? Should I not think of the problem, but rather react emotionally to the question posed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We do however have solid support for the fact that second hand smoke is harmful, especially to children. Even you admitted that earlier in this thread. If it is harmful to children, then we should try to limit their exposure to that smoke where we can, especially when there is an alternative to the activity. A person does not have to smoke in the car.
    In what quantities and to what end? People certainly need not smoke in cars or in bars or in home; but is there a line? Second hand smoke does have harmful chemicals, but in a car what are the concentrations? What is the time necessary to realize negative health effects? These things go into deciding whether or not it is proper to elicit government force. That's all I want to know.
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Show evidence for that please. As said before, it can just be pulling someone over if the behavior is seen.
    what, you want evidence that a toddler can be able to stand in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle if the parent does not prohibit it?
    do you actually require such evidence?
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    Re: Smoking in Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    carbon monoxide is deadly. cigarrete smoke is deadly.

    and yet, no one wants it to be illegal to expose kids to CO fumes that come from car tailpipes.
    Well, considering more and more limits and restrictions are made on CO fumes coming from tailpipes all the time, I'd say that is being addressed.

    Plus, there is a difference between being locked in a small space with fumes and those fumes being out in the air and float up (as they will due to their nature).

    And, we have mandatory safety inspections of cars in most states that check (or are supposed to anyway) to ensure those fumes from the tailpipe are not entering the people-space of the car in large, harmful amounts.
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