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Seat Belt Laws

Your Opinion:

  • One federal seat belt law for everyone in the vehicle

    Votes: 15 23.1%

  • One federal seat belt law, but just for children

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Leave it up to the states to decide seat belt laws

    Votes: 24 36.9%

  • There should be no seat belt laws for adults

    Votes: 20 30.8%

  • Something else

    Votes: 6 9.2%
  • Total voters
    65
grip said:
I still don't see how you can enforce seat belts in cars and allow motorcycles on the road. It's an oxymoron.
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Good point, I hadn't actually thought of that. Well there's an interesting argument if I've ever seen one.
 
apdst said:
Stop trying to put everyone on the government dole and you won't have to worry about it.
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Do you think children whose stupid parents die in car crashes should starve instead?

This is not about "the government dole." Take your rightwing anger somewhere else.
 
Ikari said:
Of course it follows, educating other people benefits me, yes? Should University be free for all. Not "open to all", most are open and people may apply. If funding the education of others is a benefit to me, then obviously that follows to higher education as well. Should it be free for all?
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Oh, I see. Yes, I think so. We waste huge amounts of talent and intelligence because people can't afford higher education.

Well it's not just Detroit. Many of the large cities like Chicago, LA, St. Louis, etc all have dilapidated sectors which have unsafe buildings and property in them.
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Do you think that's a good thing?
 
misterman said:
They wear helmets instead.
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Not that I disagree with your position, but to play a little devil's advocate, I believe grip's argument is that if we're going to be consistent, we should be banning motorcycles altogether.
 
misterman said:
Oh, I see. Yes, I think so. We waste huge amounts of talent and intelligence because people can't afford higher education.
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Having spent my life in academia, I don't quite agree. There are too many stupid people in University right now as is. And higher education is an investment in one's self. It shouldn't need to be totally supported by tax dollars.

misterman said:
Do you think that's a good thing?
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Not necessarily, but it was a counter to your claim that government does these things. It doesn't. May not be a terrible use of tax payer dollars to bulldoze under sections of our large cities which no longer function. Maybe not. But as it stands, government does not really take care of this. It's left to the individual property owners; and likely that is the proper place.
 
Josie said:
Should there be one federal seat belt law declaring that every person in the vehicle should be wearing one whenever the vehicle is moving? Should I remain up to the states? Should some people be exempt from seat belt laws? Should there be seat belt laws at all for adults?

Discuss. :)
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People should be allowed to wear a seatbelt or not. Wearing a seatbelt can be just as dangerous as not wearing one. I'm not denying the fact that people are saved by seatbelts. But to deny the fact that seatbelts are the cause of deaths also is idiotic. I know of 3 people personally that were hurt or died due to seatbelts and one that if she had been wearing her seatbelt she would have died. I know of no one personally that was saved due to wearing one. But besides that fact I don't believe that the government has a right to dictate the wearing of seatbelts.
 
Kal'Stang said:
But besides that fact I don't believe that the government has a right to dictate the wearing of seatbelts.
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So even though the government created the roads we drive on, they shouldn't be allowed to create the rules that we have to obey when we are on the road?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Not that I disagree with your position, but to play a little devil's advocate, I believe grip's argument is that if we're going to be consistent, we should be banning motorcycles altogether.
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Back to that cost-benefit thingie.
 
misterman said:
Now you're just joking, right?

Right?
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I don't like helmet laws, Colorado doesn't have one. Are they commie for having those laws? No, I just like to call them that. But I hate helmet laws.
 
As far as motorcycles go I would even be in favor of forcing those with a motorcyclists license to undergo safety training as a prereq for becoming licensed.
 
Ikari said:
Having spent my life in academia, I don't quite agree. There are too many stupid people in University right now as is.
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:lol: I'm just going to let that one sit out there by itself.

And higher education is an investment in one's self. It shouldn't need to be totally supported by tax dollars.
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Okay, not totally.

Not necessarily, but it was a counter to your claim that government does these things. It doesn't.
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No, it does, but in some places it does it poorly.

May not be a terrible use of tax payer dollars to bulldoze under sections of our large cities which no longer function. Maybe not. But as it stands, government does not really take care of this. It's left to the individual property owners; and likely that is the proper place.
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So you would buy a property in a place with no building codes whatsoever?

Having spent my life in academia, I don't quite agree. There are too many stupid people in University right now as is.
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Sorry, just had to repeat that one.
 
digsbe said:
As far as motorcycles go I would even be in favor of forcing those with a motorcyclists license to undergo safety training as a prereq for becoming licensed.
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I think that's already required in many states. Of course, just earning a license is a prerequisite to riding (and driving). Communism!
 
Thunder said:
why, do you want less motorcycle riders?
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Bender says to kill all humans.

But no, I don't necessarily want fewer motorcycle riders. But if one doesn't want to wear a helmet, I'm not inclined to force them to.
 
misterman said:
I think that's already required in many states. Of course, just earning a license is a prerequisite to riding (and driving). Communism!
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On some part, though you can operate a motorcycle without an endorsement. I know a lot of riders who don't have a motorcycle endorsement; it's not uncommon.
 
Thunder said:
why not?

there should be a Federal seatbelt law for all front passengers.
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All passengers should wear them, not just the front ones.
 
digsbe said:
As far as motorcycles go I would even be in favor of forcing those with a motorcyclists license to undergo safety training as a prereq for becoming licensed.
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So long as the rest of you are forced to take a safety training course on "how to look out for motorcyclists" as a prereq for becoming licensed.
 
misterman said:
On 2 - I know you might be joking, but should little children die because their parents are stupid?
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Laws can't fix stupidity, just having a law doesn't guarantee seat belt usage.
 
Ikari said:
So long as the rest of you are forced to take a safety training course on "how to look out for motorcyclists" as a prereq for becoming licensed.
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In my state you need at least 50 hours of driving experience with your permit (after you pass a law test) under the supervision of a guardian, or you can take a safety course that will teach you such things.

The rest of us would just be happy if motorcyclists didn't swerve through lanes and cut people off due to their vehicle being tiny ;)
 
digsbe said:
The rest of us would just be happy if motorcyclists didn't swerve through lanes and cut people off due to their vehicle being tiny ;)
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Sometimes we're doing that to stay alive because many jerks don't look for motorcyclists. Motorcycles are inherently more dangerous than cars, and those who ride know this. It's made tougher by the fact that people in cars more times than not are not paying attention to the road.
 
American said:
Laws can't fix stupidity, just having a law doesn't guarantee seat belt usage.
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So? It certainly helps.

You could say that about any law. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
 
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