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  • One federal seat belt law for everyone in the vehicle

    17 21.25%
  • One federal seat belt law, but just for children

    1 1.25%
  • Leave it up to the states to decide seat belt laws

    25 31.25%
  • There should be no seat belt laws for adults

    30 37.50%
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    No seatbelt, or helmet laws.

    Two reasons: 1) It's not the government's responsibility to make me take care of myself and 2) It stifles Darwinism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No seatbelt, or helmet laws.

    Two reasons: 1) It's not the government's responsibility to make me take care of myself and 2) It stifles Darwinism.
    sounds like you want more people & children to die in car and motorcycle crashes.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    I support seat belt laws, but I would rather have the states be in charge of them instead of the federal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support seat belt laws, but I would rather have the states be in charge of them instead of the federal government.
    so if a State allows children to be in the front seat without a seatbelt, so be it?

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe there should be single federal seat belt law for everyone regardless of age.There are exceptions to that like motorcycles,scooters, babies in car seats and baby carriers (although those things are secured with a seatbelt) and ect.That said it should not be an offense that police can pull you over for.
    I'm having a hard time reconciling this point and the point of your other thread about towing cars/unlicensed drivers because it's the law. If it's the law, it's the law, isn't it?


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    There should be a waiver you can sign that exempts you from seat belt laws that says you waive your right any taxpayer assistance whatsoever for you or your family if you are killed or disabled in a crash, starting with the ambulance or hearse.
    Too unwieldy.


    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Because individuals don't live in a vacuum. Libertarianism and all this non-coercion bull**** would be fine if everybody in the world lived in their own little igloo and had nothing to do with each other. They don't. Your bad choices don't affect you alone.
    This!

    Anyway, I don't like that I'm told to wear seatbelts, but I have religiously for almost 30 years now. Why? Because it's smart. I've gotten to the point that I feel naked if I don't have one on... even to move a car from my garage to the street if I want to work in the garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so if a State allows children to be in the front seat without a seatbelt, so be it?
    If someone violates a seat belt law should it be dealt with in federal court? Should it be a federal issue? what is state laws and federal laws overlap? A state can only do what the populace votes for. If the population wants no seat belt laws then allow them to vote for it, it's their safety that they are tossing away in the name of "personal freedom." The federal government influences state road laws all the time. Years ago in Tennessee the state government did not want to lower the legal BAC amount to redefine what levels constitute a DUI. The federal government said that if Tennessee does not change their law to reflect a lower BAC then the federal government would cease paying for road upkeep and other federal spending projects. Even if the feds don't write and enforce the law they do have a pull when it comes to what the states choose to do.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um...how so?

    how does someone doing meth or heroine in the privacy of their own home, endanger anyone?
    It doesn't unless there's a child in the house. People don't generally hibernate in their homes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Because individuals don't live in a vacuum. Libertarianism and all this non-coercion bull**** would be fine if everybody in the world lived in their own little igloo and had nothing to do with each other. They don't. Your bad choices don't affect you alone.
    Never said they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I remember those days, too. Knocked out my two front teeth when I was seven because of a sudden stop. Child abuse, I tell ya'!
    Ah...you put the wrong name on the quote there.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Never said they did.
    No, you didn't explicitly say that, but your insistence on "freedom to do whatever the hell you want, government coercion is inherently immoral" position negatively impacts the well-being of others, whether you like it or not. Negative freedom as an end in and of itself has absolutely no value, in my opinion. That is why seat belt laws and helmet laws are a good idea. Yes, they are coercive, yes they limit "freedom" in your sense of the word, but I'd rather save lives and not have idiots be a drag on OUR (that is, society's) healthcare system.

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