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  • One federal seat belt law for everyone in the vehicle

    17 21.25%
  • One federal seat belt law, but just for children

    1 1.25%
  • Leave it up to the states to decide seat belt laws

    25 31.25%
  • There should be no seat belt laws for adults

    30 37.50%
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    Ok, sorry about that but I deal with children a lot so it was first on my mind.
    Np.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    Maybe, but my sole argument was based on your statement that only YOU would be affected by not wearing a seatbelt, not whether you were the sole occupant. The fact remains that YOU can indirectly cause injury or death to someone else in a multiple of situations by not wearing one.
    That's the thing though. No matter what you do you are always affecting someone either directly or indirectly. Because of this, basing a law solely on the fact that you may affect someone besides yourself is at best bogus. If we were to do this and allow our legislatures to do this then there is nothing that they couldn't pass unless it runs directly contrary to what is in the Constitution....and even then they have the ability to change that. So, where do we draw the line? Don't we have rights that are not enumerated by the Constitution? If anyone says no then the founding fathers of this nations greatest fear regarding the Bill of Rights has been realized.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    Look, I'm not going to press you anymore on this because I believe you to be rational in real life but I know and have worked with EMT's and police officers whose first thoughts when arriving on the scene of a severe auto accident is the hope that the occupants were wearing seatbelts. Unfortunately, a car full of teens are 50/50.
    The only thing that I can say to this is that everyone bases their decisions on their own personal lives. What may be common for one person may not be for another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    The bottom line is that a driver has a responsibility to make sure that he/she and all their passengers are buckled in...and remember, the seatbelt and airbag work together to greatly increase the chances of survival. Without the belt, the airbag can kill you.
    IMO the driver has the responsibility to make sure that thier passengers and him/her self are safe. The first line of defense in that regard is defensive driving and keeping yourself aware of everything around you.

    The only times that seatbelts and airbags really help is when hit directly on or semi-directly on. If you get T-Boned or rear ended then they are useless. If I get T-boned a seatbelt can actually make things worse. If I get rear ended then I am going to be pushed into my seat first and in that instant my arms and legs are going to be locking up and as such I definitely won't be going through the window. I can generally control what hits me in the front, I can't as easily control what hits me from the sides or rear.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I understand texting completely.
    Texting affects the safety of other drivers on the roadway.

    Wearing your seatbelt or not wearing your seat belt does not.
    Not wearing your seatbelt could easily affect others on the roadway by causing you to become either a road hazard or a projectile.

    Think about it this way, if someone is thrown from their vehicle in traffic, people are likely to either try to swerve or stop abruptly to avoid hitting the person. These actions cause accidents normally. Since at least one accident has already occurred, we are talking about a compounded problem. Plus, that person thrown through that windshield could easily hit someone else's car. Anyone read that accident involving the bear? That bear could easily be a person flying out of their car because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ❖ I strongly think so. The more people who have their seat belts buckled, the more people that survive car crashes.

    ❖ I'm not sure if it should remain up to the states. To me it seems like a no-brainer, and should therefore be applied nation-wide.

    ❖ Exemption from wearing seat-belts... it really depends. I don't know/can't think of any certain people with any certain reasons. Perhaps post-surgery passengers... but I honestly don't know.

    ❖ Definitely. A 250-lb man can still fly through the windshield on impact.
    I believe I read somewhere (with seatbelt laws) that people who have broken collar bones do not have to wear the seat belt if it is a shoulder belt. That's the only one I remember.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not wearing your seatbelt could easily affect others on the roadway by causing you to become either a road hazard or a projectile.

    Think about it this way, if someone is thrown from their vehicle in traffic, people are likely to either try to swerve or stop abruptly to avoid hitting the person. These actions cause accidents normally. Since at least one accident has already occurred, we are talking about a compounded problem. Plus, that person thrown through that windshield could easily hit someone else's car. Anyone read that accident involving the bear? That bear could easily be a person flying out of their car because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.
    Same can be said for a vehicle spinning out of control.

    Lets ban vehicles from the roadways!
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Should there be one federal seat belt law declaring that every person in the vehicle should be wearing one whenever the vehicle is moving? Should I remain up to the states? Should some people be exempt from seat belt laws? Should there be seat belt laws at all for adults?

    Discuss.
    I don't feel strongly either way because my car doesn't move until everyone's bucked anyway.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's retarded. I pay taxes, I can gain access to any of that even if I don't wear a seatbelt. It's not the government's job to protect me from me. I don't wear a helmet when on my motorcycle for instance. I hate my helmet, it sucks ass. If I wreck and die, I paid taxes and they can hose my body off the road. but it ain't the government's place to say I can't. There should be no seat belt laws.
    In SD only children are required to wear helmets.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It should be a law just as is making texting illegal while driving.
    I confess: I text while I drive. SD made it illegal, and that didn't stop me. I don't let it interfere with my driving, so it's not a problem. Example: According to the letter of the law, "texting" includes just reading a text. So when I check a text while sitting at a red light, I'm in violation. I've tried to write a text while moving...imposable.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Same can be said for a vehicle spinning out of control.

    Lets ban vehicles from the roadways!
    Again, it is a cost/benefit analysis.

    What is the cost of not wearing a seatbelt? What is the benefit of not wearing a seatbelt? There are plenty of costs to not wearing a seatbelt, including to others, with very little benefit to not wearing a seatbelt.

    What is the cost of driving? What is the benefit of driving? There are a lot of costs to driving a car, but there are also lots of benefits as well.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I confess: I text while I drive. SD made it illegal, and that didn't stop me. I don't let it interfere with my driving, so it's not a problem. Example: According to the letter of the law, "texting" includes just reading a text. So when I check a text while sitting at a red light, I'm in violation. I've tried to write a text while moving...imposable.
    Most no-texting laws cover "IN FORWARD MOTION" or "IN MOTION" so you aren't in violation at a red light.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, it is a cost/benefit analysis.

    What is the cost of not wearing a seatbelt? What is the benefit of not wearing a seatbelt? There are plenty of costs to not wearing a seatbelt, including to others, with very little benefit to not wearing a seatbelt.

    What is the cost of driving? What is the benefit of driving? There are a lot of costs to driving a car, but there are also lots of benefits as well.
    The limitation of Freedoms should NOT be subject to a cost/benefit analysis.
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