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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Are there seat belts in trains?

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Um. No. It is MY car. Otherwise society would be paying MY insurance on MY car. And I shouldn't have to pay to get it smogged or have it filled with gas. When that happens, then yes. It can be societies car. Until then, NO IT IS NOT
    . Well you are driving on their roads.

    I am not being selfish, either. I choose to not wear it. ME. Its MY body. I am fed up with some government agency telling me what I can or can't do when it comes to just ME and MY BODY. Get it? Got it? Good.
    do you not live a good life, i am just trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to try and be as safe as possible, while you might be a good driver, nobody knows about drivers around you.

    By the way...have they passed a seat belt law for school buses yet?
    they need to, but if they don't the seats in front of them serve as protection.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I haven't been able to find this because neither statistic seems to be tracked.
    So, we are basing laws on incomplete knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I do know however that people are run over by other drivers due to being ejected from their vehicles. That is a fact. How exactly do you stop that person from feeling bad for running over the guy/girl in the road who wouldn't have been there had they worn their seatbelt? Or are you going to try to tell me this doesn't happen? Maybe it isn't your problem?
    I do not deny that as fact. But on the flip side people die due to seatbelts also. Do you deny that? You are quite willing to allow a law that is touted as saving a life while totally ignoring the fact that the same law (wearing seatbelts) can cause death also.

    As for stopping that one person from feeling bad for running over the person? Counseling usually helps. But ultimately there is nothing you can do, if you want people to have fredom of choice anyways. If you don't want them to then you make them wear a seatbelt which can possibly kill them.

    The arguement being used here to defend seatbelt laws in this case is that you affect others. Anything you do affects others either directly or indirectly. As such there are literally thousands, if not millions of laws that could be enacted based upon that reasoning. Where do you stop? Should we ban sky diving? After all, you might hit someone and kill them and yourselves if your parachute fails to open. How about bungee cord jumping? You could be paralyzed and be dependent upon the state for the rest of your life due to that. As such you are affecting others. Football? You can be paralyzed with that also. Race car driving? etc etc etc. I could name so many things. So...where do you stop?
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, we are basing laws on incomplete knowledge.



    I do not deny that as fact. But on the flip side people die due to seatbelts also. Do you deny that? You are quite willing to allow a law that is touted as saving a life while totally ignoring the fact that the same law (wearing seatbelts) can cause death also.

    As for stopping that one person from feeling bad for running over the person? Counseling usually helps. But ultimately there is nothing you can do, if you want people to have fredom of choice anyways. If you don't want them to then you make them wear a seatbelt which can possibly kill them.

    The arguement being used here to defend seatbelt laws in this case is that you affect others. Anything you do affects others either directly or indirectly. As such there are literally thousands, if not millions of laws that could be enacted based upon that reasoning. Where do you stop? Should we ban sky diving? After all, you might hit someone and kill them and yourselves if your parachute fails to open. How about bungee cord jumping? You could be paralyzed and be dependent upon the state for the rest of your life due to that. As such you are affecting others. Football? You can be paralyzed with that also. Race car driving? etc etc etc. I could name so many things. So...where do you stop?
    Prove that those people who died because of wearing their seatbelts wouldn't have died had they not been wearing it. There may be a couple of instances where some freak accident occurred where a person not wearing their seatbelt was ejected from the car, luckily didn't get hit by another car and avoided being crushed by something that fell on the car, but that is not going to happen very often. Even in the fire or trapped under water cases, it is more than plausible that the person could have suffered more extensive injuries not wearing their seatbelt that left them unable to avoid dying in the incident any way.

    Since you are asking for numbers from me for how many people are killed because of those not wearing their seatbelts, why should you not be providing those same numbers for how many are killed purely because they were wearing their seatbelts?

    There are a number of things that are considered when doing a cost/benefit analysis for anything. These include what the activity/thing is for, how it works, what affects how it works, how much it cost to implement safety standards, how those safety standards affect others, who is affected without those safety standards, etc. Looking at such an analysis of cost/benefit for seat belt laws easily points to the cost of not wearing a seat belt is much worse than the benefit of being able to not wear a seatbelt.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Prove that those people who died because of wearing their seatbelts wouldn't have died had they not been wearing it. There may be a couple of instances where some freak accident occurred where a person not wearing their seatbelt was ejected from the car, luckily didn't get hit by another car and avoided being crushed by something that fell on the car, but that is not going to happen very often. Even in the fire or trapped under water cases, it is more than plausible that the person could have suffered more extensive injuries not wearing their seatbelt that left them unable to avoid dying in the incident any way.
    Proving that they wouldn't have died without the seatbelt is like asking a person to prove that God is real or not. It's impossible. You can't go back and recreate the same exact conditions of what happened and apply or not apply a seatbelt to the situation. What is known is that seatbelts were responsible for deaths.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Since you are asking for numbers from me for how many people are killed because of those not wearing their seatbelts, why should you not be providing those same numbers for how many are killed purely because they were wearing their seatbelts?
    But that is not what I asked you. I asked you to compare the statistics of people being ejected due to not wearing a seat belt and those that died because of wearing a seat belt.

    But honestly I don't know how many die because of a seat belt. There isn't any statistic that I can find on it. Although I have found reports of people dying due to not wearing a seat belt correctly or because of bad manufacturing of the seat belts, but even those didn't show the statistics of it. Which kind of brings up a question in itself...how do they know the person was wearing a seatbelt incorrectly? In an accident everything moves and where they end up after the crash isn't always the same place where they were originally. I suspect that there's a bit of dishonesty going on there. Of course nothing that I, or anyone, can really prove.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are a number of things that are considered when doing a cost/benefit analysis for anything. These include what the activity/thing is for, how it works, what affects how it works, how much it cost to implement safety standards, how those safety standards affect others, who is affected without those safety standards, etc. Looking at such an analysis of cost/benefit for seat belt laws easily points to the cost of not wearing a seat belt is much worse than the benefit of being able to not wear a seatbelt.
    And do they ever consider what the cost is in freedoms?

    In 2009 there was 33,808 traffic fatalities. That includes any death that was the result of any type of motorized vehicle. Like a person standing on a sidewalk being hit by a car and dying. That's only 1.1 deaths out of 100 million miles traveled. Thats not many compared to the 300+ million people that live in the US.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    . Well you are driving on their roads.

    do you not live a good life, i am just trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to try and be as safe as possible, while you might be a good driver, nobody knows about drivers around you.

    they need to, but if they don't the seats in front of them serve as protection.
    Oh please. I'm driving on their roads???? So that gives "them" the right on what I do with my body????

    How I live my life, not to be rude, is really nobodies business. I don't want to wear my seat belt while in my car, and frown on the government telling me I MUST wear one or I get fined....but school buses don't have seat belts for children on each seat, yet the buses are driving on "their" roads, right? And you are kidding yourself if you think the front seats are protection. So is my dash. See how silly that is?

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Should there be one federal seat belt law declaring that every person in the vehicle should be wearing one whenever the vehicle is moving? Should I remain up to the states? Should some people be exempt from seat belt laws? Should there be seat belt laws at all for adults?

    Discuss.
    There should be no seat belt laws period.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    I used to be an advocate of seat belt laws.

    My political opinion, however, is that it should be up to the states and those living within those states to decide on such matters. I don't believe such laws, on a federal level, are within the scope of the powers granted to the federal government by the constitution.

    I am, and will always be, an advocate of wearing the seatbelt.
    I, however, on a personal level, don't believe the government, any government, should be in the business of mandating that someone wear a seat belt. I do not believe that the government should be in the business of making laws against things that cause harm to only ones self.

    That aside, the appropriate place for the discussion is in state, not federal law.

    Our federal government has too much power as it is.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    I've never had to cut a dead body out of a seat belt.....

    I have, however, had to block the roadway off for an investigation and standby as the fire department hosed off the blood from an ejected driver/passenger off of the highway.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But honestly I don't know how many die because of a seat belt. There isn't any statistic that I can find on it. Although I have found reports of people dying due to not wearing a seat belt correctly or because of bad manufacturing of the seat belts, but even those didn't show the statistics of it. Which kind of brings up a question in itself...how do they know the person was wearing a seatbelt incorrectly? In an accident everything moves and where they end up after the crash isn't always the same place where they were originally. I suspect that there's a bit of dishonesty going on there. Of course nothing that I, or anyone, can really prove.
    Kal, if there is a fatality the accident investigation team check over the vehicle. Some of these checks can take considerable time. They check everything, mechanical, tyres, brakes, seatbelts etc. They would be able to determine if a seatbelt is faulty or not. I've been to accident scenes and it is more often than not very obvious if the occupants were wearing a seat belt at the time.

    Like Cain, I am, and will always be, an advocate of wearing a seatbelt but i don't believe the government should mandate that you have to wear a seat belt. I wish everyone would though and i don't understand why some people are so against it.
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