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  • One federal seat belt law for everyone in the vehicle

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  • One federal seat belt law, but just for children

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  • Leave it up to the states to decide seat belt laws

    25 31.25%
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    30 37.50%
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    As far as motorcycles go I would even be in favor of forcing those with a motorcyclists license to undergo safety training as a prereq for becoming licensed.
    So long as the rest of you are forced to take a safety training course on "how to look out for motorcyclists" as a prereq for becoming licensed.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    On 2 - I know you might be joking, but should little children die because their parents are stupid?
    Laws can't fix stupidity, just having a law doesn't guarantee seat belt usage.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So long as the rest of you are forced to take a safety training course on "how to look out for motorcyclists" as a prereq for becoming licensed.
    In my state you need at least 50 hours of driving experience with your permit (after you pass a law test) under the supervision of a guardian, or you can take a safety course that will teach you such things.

    The rest of us would just be happy if motorcyclists didn't swerve through lanes and cut people off due to their vehicle being tiny
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The rest of us would just be happy if motorcyclists didn't swerve through lanes and cut people off due to their vehicle being tiny
    Sometimes we're doing that to stay alive because many jerks don't look for motorcyclists. Motorcycles are inherently more dangerous than cars, and those who ride know this. It's made tougher by the fact that people in cars more times than not are not paying attention to the road.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Laws can't fix stupidity, just having a law doesn't guarantee seat belt usage.
    So? It certainly helps.

    You could say that about any law. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How in the hell did I straw it up and it wasn't my comparison. Read the damn thread for once. This is the second stupid mistake you made here.

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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I still don't see how you can enforce seat belts in cars and allow motorcycles on the road. It's an oxymoron.
    That's a great point. I don't have any figures to back it up, but instinct and common sense tells me that motorcycles users are far more at risk for serious injury or death than people in cars with or without seatbelts. If its all about creating a safer world and reducing shared costs, motorcycles are clearly an unnecessary risk. Why do we allow them?
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Back to that cost-benefit thingie.
    The cost would be very minimal. Banning motorcycles would cost very little in terms of enforcement. Jobs lost by motorcycle manufacturing and sales would be moved over into the car industry. The benefits would be increased safety and fewer severe injuries driving up the costs of healthcare. Seems to me, if youhave the mindset that the government's job is to make the world as safe as possible, banning motorcycles is an easy no-brainer. They have got to be far more dangerous than just not wearing a seatbelt.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's part of the reason, but that's not the whole justification.
    Please tell me the rest of the justification for taking away the ability of reasonable adults to make their own desicions regarding their own safety.

    We tried that, we all know what happened.
    Yeah, we learned that laws don't change behavior. When the government overreaches, people tend to ignore or disregard the law.

    A better analogy for the seat belt argument would be if we got rid of drunk driving laws.
    Not at all. Drunk drivers represent a clear and present danger to OTHERS. Not wearing my seatbelt is only a threat to my personage.

    Edit: at the end of the day, seat belt laws are more about safety than anything else. That's how I see it.
    That and revenue. Here where I live in Illinois (admittedly perhaps the worst run and perhaps most corrupt state in the union) we've had seatbelt laws for years, but you couldn't be pulled over only for not wearing a seatbelt. If you pulled over for some other violation and didn't have your seatbelt you could be ticketed, but just not wearing the belt wasn't sufficient reason to pull you over. Suddenly when the state began to run short on money, they changed that law. Coincidence? If you think so, I got some nice beach front property in Arizona to sell you.
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    Re: Seat Belt Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Laws can't fix stupidity, just having a law doesn't guarantee seat belt usage.
    Exactly. I know a neighbor who refuses to wear a seatbelt and he once told me that when he sees a policeman he pulls it across himself until he passes then lets it retract back. He finds them uncomfortable. His mentality is not unlike some of the comments in this forum.

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