View Poll Results: What Kind of libertarian are you? Libertarian poll only.

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  • Deontological (coercion is always immoral)

    3 20.00%
  • Consequentialist (non-coercion has better consequences than coercion)

    7 46.67%
  • Pro-Proprietarian (for personal property)

    11 73.33%
  • Anti-Proprietarian (against personal property)

    0 0%
  • Statist (state is necessary)

    9 60.00%
  • Anarchist (state is harmful)

    3 20.00%
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    Libertarian Poll

    For the purpose of this thread, the definition of libertarianism will go as follows:

    Libertarianism - an ideology that holds liberty to be its core tenet

    What kind of libertarian are you? I am not a libertarian myself, and there are not many libertarians residing in PoFo (my home forum), so I decided to make a survey here. You must choose 3 options, 1 from each category according to you views. Anyway, here are the options:

    CATEGORY 1:

    Deontological - believe that coercion is unethical regardless of consequences (Argumentation Ethics)
    Consequentialist - believe that the consequences of liberty are always better than the results of coercion*

    CATEGORY 2:

    Pro-Proprietarian - it is legitimate for one to claim private ownership of any resource to the detriment of others
    Anti-Proprietarian - it is not legitimate for one to claim private ownership of any resource to the detriment of others

    CATEGORY 3:

    Statist - in a libertarian society, the state should still exist because it is necessary
    Anarchist - in a libertarian society, the state should not exist because it is harmful

    Pick one option from each category on the poll, best describing your views. Note that this test includes many of the non-proprietarian left-wing anarchists. In fact, the first person to call himself a libertarian was an anarcho-communist.

    Remember, this poll is for LIBERTARIANS ONLY. You MUST choose only one option for each category, and you MUST choose 3 options.

    *If you are deontological and consequentialist, pick deontological.




    This is the second poll that I posted. The first one lacked a multiple choice button. This one doesn't.
    Last edited by JustinS; 01-01-12 at 11:38 PM.

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    there is a contradiction in your first category so I did not answer that

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Where's the contradiction? Is it that one can be consequentalist and deontological? If so, I put a note at the bottom saying to pick deontological if this is the case.

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    I'm gonna go with:

    Consequentialist, semi-proprietarian, statist.

    The thing is, I'm a libertarian in the sense that I prefer less government and think that it has done little beyond make very poor decisions in almost all fields. I'm also a believer in reasonable market controls (no monopolies, minor epa, etc) and even social programs as long as they were smaller and looked nothing like the jokes we have now. I also wish we really were a union of states.

    The first two, I think are too absolute. There is a gray area. Things have to be measured case-by-case.

    My choice of semi-proprietarian is similar. Ownership should be the default, but if you can prove harm to others, then you are infringing on their rights.

    Lastly, I'm libertarian, not anarchist. If I wanted no government, I would be anarchist, which is a different belief system all together.

    Sorry if I'm not terribly helpful. I'm trying to give straight answers, but being libertarian doesn't necessarily mean a strict belief system. I figure that's why you have the poll
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    I am an Deontological, Anti-Proprietarian, Anarchist who can tolerate the state and some progressive policy.

    My Anit-Proprietarian views stems from the Lockean Proviso. I believe that man owns himself and has a right to his/her labor. However, natural resources were not created by man and need fair share and appropriation restraints. However, this contradicts my anarchism, since fair share and appropriation restrains would require a government.

    I am best described as a geo-libertarian which combines Georgism with libertarianism.

    I am also one of the few libertarians who believes in the estate tax until we get our crony capitalism under control. I am not a fan of taxation, but uber rich estates and natural resource use are the best places to tax and fund a limited government.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I'm gonna go with:

    Consequentialist, semi-proprietarian, statist.

    The thing is, I'm a libertarian in the sense that I prefer less government and think that it has done little beyond make very poor decisions in almost all fields. I'm also a believer in reasonable market controls (no monopolies, minor epa, etc) and even social programs as long as they were smaller and looked nothing like the jokes we have now. I also wish we really were a union of states.

    The first two, I think are too absolute. There is a gray area. Things have to be measured case-by-case.

    My choice of semi-proprietarian is similar. Ownership should be the default, but if you can prove harm to others, then you are infringing on their rights.

    Lastly, I'm libertarian, not anarchist. If I wanted no government, I would be anarchist, which is a different belief system all together.

    Sorry if I'm not terribly helpful. I'm trying to give straight answers, but being libertarian doesn't necessarily mean a strict belief system. I figure that's why you have the poll
    I basically agree with this

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan
    Lastly, I'm libertarian, not anarchist. If I wanted no government, I would be anarchist, which is a different belief system all together.
    I used a very broad definition of libertarianism, as not to leave out anarchists who do value liberty. I remember that the first person to call himself a libertarian was an anarcho-communist. Since then, the term has been used for various right-wing movements with the prior definitions being left out.

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I am an Deontological, Anti-Proprietarian, Anarchist who can tolerate the state and some progressive policy.

    My Anit-Proprietarian views stems from the Lockean Proviso. I believe that man owns himself and has a right to his/her labor. However, natural resources were not created by man and need fair share and appropriation restraints. However, this contradicts my anarchism, since fair share and appropriation restrains would require a government.

    I am best described as a geo-libertarian which combines Georgism with libertarianism.

    I am also one of the few libertarians who believes in the estate until we get our crony capitalism under control. I am not a fan of taxation, but estates and natural resource use are the best places to tax and fund a limited government.
    Interesting. So you are a libertarian leftist then, correct?




    Oddly, I have noticed that anarchists tend to fall into one of two economic categories: far-left, and far-right. On the far left are the anarcho-communists, anarcha-feminists, Geolibertarians, etc.. On the far-right are the anarcho-capitalists, and possibly the anarcho-primitivists. It is interesting that I have not yet met a 'pure' anarchist (i.e. anti-coercion) who falls in the middle between these two domains. This might be because all of the middle domain involves at least some form of economic coercion, while the two extremes: communism and pure lasseiz-faire economics, do not. This might be why.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I used a very broad definition of libertarianism, as not to leave out anarchists who do value liberty. I remember that the first person to call himself a libertarian was an anarcho-communist. Since then, the term has been used for various right-wing movements with the prior definitions being left out.
    I get what you were saying. I should have clarified that I meant in my mind it was a different belief system.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    Interesting. So you are a libertarian leftist then, correct?
    Yes, primarily due to the Lockean Proviso.

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