View Poll Results: What Kind of libertarian are you? Libertarian poll only.

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  • Deontological (coercion is always immoral)

    3 20.00%
  • Consequentialist (non-coercion has better consequences than coercion)

    7 46.67%
  • Pro-Proprietarian (for personal property)

    11 73.33%
  • Anti-Proprietarian (against personal property)

    0 0%
  • Statist (state is necessary)

    9 60.00%
  • Anarchist (state is harmful)

    3 20.00%
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Thread: Libertarian Poll

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    failure is always allowed in a proper society because to try to wipe out failure means forcing others who are innocent of causing someone to fail-to have to help remedy it

    Likewise I find the term anarcho capitalist (a term a well known leading lefty used to apply to me when we studied together) to be contradictory capitalism requires a system of courts to protect private property
    Anarchism is almost always sort of contradictory, unless you were some complete egoist who believed in basically chaos; which very few anarchists actually are. The difference is more that anarchists want a really decentralised and tiny state, whether it is worker's councils, local, consensus democracy or private agencies. There is though only really a change in degree and not kind between these and any other position on the state.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Anarchism is almost always sort of contradictory, unless you were some complete egoist who believed in basically chaos;
    Not a fan of Max?

    I am going on a tangent, but here is a nice write up between the Egoist and Natural Rights school of Anarchy.
    Egoism and Anarchy | Strike-The-Root: A Journal Of Liberty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Not a fan of Max?

    I am going on a tangent, but here is a nice write up between the Egoist and Natural Rights school of Anarchy.
    Egoism and Anarchy | Strike-The-Root: A Journal Of Liberty
    I'm not an anarchist any more. I'm a traditionalist conservative Christian. So no I'm not a fan. But I didn't really mean egoist in the strict Steiner-esque sense. More just people who utterly reject all organisation and rules for selfish chaos.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'm not an anarchist any more. I'm a traditionalist conservative Christian. So no I'm not a fan. But I didn't really mean egoist in the strict Steiner-esque sense. More just people who utterly reject all organisation and rules for selfish chaos.
    I thought it was a good write up, but as an atheist anarchist, I tend to support the natural law view over Max's egotism.

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman
    I'm not an anarchist any more. I'm a traditionalist conservative Christian.
    How does one make such a great ideological transformation? How long did that take?

    I have heard of people switch from libertarian to socialist before, but never from anarchist to traditionalist.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    How does one make such a great ideological transformation? How long did that take?
    I was already an eclectic thinker. I had discovered Burke already as a radical decentralist or an anarchist and I had already discovered the infinitely more important Saviour. It simply took me a few years to get rid of any lingering leftwing and liberal presuppositions I had.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    How does one make such a great ideological transformation? How long did that take?

    I have heard of people switch from libertarian to socialist before, but never from anarchist to traditionalist.
    You do know that Proudon was a minimal statist at the end of his life.

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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    You do know that Proudon was a minimal statist at the end of his life.
    Interesting. Was he still a left-winger, though?

    Next we are going to see realpolitik Stalinists make the transformation to deontological An-Caps.

    My bad attempt at a joke.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    Interesting. Was he still a left-winger, though?
    Yes. He was anti-statist and pro-market. While his views changed slightly as he aged, Proudhon is a true liberal.

    For those who do not know, Proudhon and Bastiat both sat on the left side of the French Assembly. Liberalism has always been a political ideology of limited government, anti-war, and personal freedom until radicals and socialists hijacked it during the 20th century.
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    Re: Libertarian Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I was already an eclectic thinker. I had discovered Burke already as a radical decentralist or an anarchist and I had already discovered the infinitely more important Saviour. It simply took me a few years to get rid of any lingering leftwing and liberal presuppositions I had.
    How do you straddle Burkean Conservatism with Goldwater Conservatism who wasn't a fan of Burke or the Jacobians?

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