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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The whole part about belonging to a well-regulated militia too?
    We are all already members of the militia under the law, and it's not possible for the militia to be "well-regulated" if its members do not have the legal authority to equip themselves appropriately to carry out their duties. Thus in order for there to be a "well-regulated militia" for the individual citizens to be members of-- which is described as a Constitutional necessity-- the right to keep and bear arms can not be infringed by the government.

    By my interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, the Federal government is Constitutionally obligated to provide a minimum standard of militia training to every eligible member of the militia, regardless of whether or not they enlist in the "organized militia", and the government's continued failure to uphold this obligation in no way invalidates the rest of the 2nd Amendment, especially given that the guaranteed right to keep and bear arms is essential for the government to be able to uphold their Constitutional obligation at a later date.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...(I already know the answer-this is for those who haven't read your numerous posts about how great the NYC gun laws are)
    you are asking questions to which you already know the answer to?

    what an amazing waste of time. I don't feel the need to play your juvenile & ignorant games.

    sorry.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you are asking questions to which you already know the answer to?

    what an amazing waste of time. I don't feel the need to play your juvenile & ignorant games.

    sorry.
    its amazing that you are the only one who is a multiple poster on this thread who has not voted

    we know you support the NYC gun laws which means you are against the second amendment as properly interpreted

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
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    we know you support the NYC gun laws which means you are against the second amendment as properly interpreted
    ...and the goalposts are moved closer to the opposing side.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Just for levity... I don't really have a poignant response as of yet. But, someone mentioned a Barrett... feel free to skip to about the 15 second mark.



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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    I'm for the right to responsible weapon ownership. However, I oppose allowing anyone to own an atomic bomb.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm for the right to responsible weapon ownership. However, I oppose allowing anyone to own an atomic bomb.
    Hedging your bets huh?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm for the right to responsible weapon ownership. However, I oppose allowing anyone to own an atomic bomb.
    but that's infringing my right to bear arms.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm for the right to responsible weapon ownership. However, I oppose allowing anyone to own an atomic bomb.
    Yep. Least of all the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but that's infringing my right to bear arms.
    Hey, you can kill a man with a gun. Kill as many men as you want. But you can kill a species with nukes, and that's not okay.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    We are all already members of the militia under the law, and it's not possible for the militia to be "well-regulated" if its members do not have the legal authority to equip themselves appropriately to carry out their duties. Thus in order for there to be a "well-regulated militia" for the individual citizens to be members of-- which is described as a Constitutional necessity-- the right to keep and bear arms can not be infringed by the government.
    The problem is, we're not all members of the militia. Without a draft, we cannot be called to military service at a moment's notice and even in the event of a draft, not only could we not bring our own weapons, we would be prohibited from doing so. Therefore, the right to bear arms has absolutely no bearing on the modern-day "militia". We have to look at what was written in the context of the time at which it was written and understand their intent. Like it or not, the Constitution cannot be reasonably expected to deal with situations that the founding fathers could not have conceivably foreseen.

    By my interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, the Federal government is Constitutionally obligated to provide a minimum standard of militia training to every eligible member of the militia, regardless of whether or not they enlist in the "organized militia", and the government's continued failure to uphold this obligation in no way invalidates the rest of the 2nd Amendment, especially given that the guaranteed right to keep and bear arms is essential for the government to be able to uphold their Constitutional obligation at a later date.
    When do you think they'll be doing that?
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