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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unless it is a SHALL ISSUE law, then you can be denied for any reason...
    ANY reason?

    prove it. I think you're just making it up.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ANY reason?

    prove it. I think you're just making it up.
    Shall Issue is more standard, there are criteria and so long as the criteria is met the State cannot deny the permit. However, a few stats have May Issue, which is completely up to the discretion of State. A few of the States use the May Issue to severely restrict the ability of one to gain a permit. Of course, the best option is Vermont style.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Funny, that's exactly how it's written. Now while I have absolutely nothing against the right to bear arms, we are talking about the second amendment AS WRITTEN, not as later interpreted. At the time, the people were the military. Well, the white, male, property-owners were the military. They owned all of the arms, including cannons, and brought them out for national defense. It was a system that made sense to the founding fathers. They had no concept of a standing army. Unfortunately, modern people kind of gloss over the "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" part because it's inconvenient. However, it is as the founding fathers intended it.
    the potential of being in the militia was a sufficient reason not a necessary one

    and more importantly, the federal government was never delegated the power to regulate small arms thus the 9th and Tenth amendments are actually more important

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unless it is a SHALL ISSUE law, then you can be denied for any reason...
    .....waiting for that evidence.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ANY reason?

    prove it. I think you're just making it up.
    we tire of your evasions

    since there is no reason the cops have to give for the denial then yes, they can deny it because they don't like your haircut or if you are fat, hispanic, gay, Jewish whatever

    You support the NYC gun laws and that means you approve of honest people being denied the right to keep, bear or carry arms

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...You support the NYC gun laws and that means you approve of honest people being denied the right to keep, bear or carry arms
    and yet, lots of folks in NYC own lots of guns.

    I have two co-workers with lots of handguns & rifles.

    so your ridiculous idea that supporting NYC's gun-laws says that one is against the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, is well.....ridiculous.

    or...simply lies.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we tire of your evasions...
    please provide evidence that the NYPD can refuse someone the right to a firearms permit, for ANY reason whatsoever.

    or did you just make it up?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and yet, lots of folks in NYC own lots of guns.

    I have two co-workers with lots of handguns & rifles.

    so your ridiculous idea that supporting NYC's gun-laws says that one is against the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, is well.....ridiculous.

    or...simply lies.
    simple question

    do you support the NYC gun laws


    I oppose them as does just about any other sane person

    all we need is a YES or a NO

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...I oppose them as does just about any other sane person...
    ah, so anyone who supports NYC's gun-laws, is insane?

    funny, the USSR used to say the same thing about folks who were "counter-Revolutionary".

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so anyone who supports NYC's gun-laws, is insane?

    funny, the USSR used to say the same thing about folks who were "counter-Revolutionary".
    again we tire of your evasions

    simple yes or no

    (I already know the answer-this is for those who haven't read your numerous posts about how great the NYC gun laws are)

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