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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please don't lie about my views, as I don't lie about yours.
    why are you posting here when you haven't voted?

    You are on record as defending the NYC's idiotic laws concerning guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you posting here when you haven't voted?

    You are on record as defending the NYC's idiotic laws concerning guns
    yeah, which just proves that you have lied about my views.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, which just proves that you have lied about my views.
    so you now deny that you support the NYC licensing requirements? the ones that require people to have a license that the NYPD can deny for any reason?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you now deny that you support the NYC licensing requirements? the ones that require people to have a license that the NYPD can deny for any reason?
    and now, you are being dishonest about the NYPD's gun regulations.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and now, you are being dishonest about the NYPD's gun regulations.
    unless it is a SHALL ISSUE law, then you can be denied for any reason

    but lets get back on topic

    do you support the NYC gun laws?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unless it is a SHALL ISSUE law, then you can be denied for any reason

    but lets get back on topic

    do you support the NYC gun laws?
    Hmm no answer

    I guess I will have to rely on what the other posters saw

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I believe in the second amendment, just as it is written.
    The whole part about belonging to a well-regulated militia too?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The whole part about belonging to a well-regulated militia too?
    that has nothing to do with the right's application

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that has nothing to do with the right's application
    Funny, that's exactly how it's written. Now while I have absolutely nothing against the right to bear arms, we are talking about the second amendment AS WRITTEN, not as later interpreted. At the time, the people were the military. Well, the white, male, property-owners were the military. They owned all of the arms, including cannons, and brought them out for national defense. It was a system that made sense to the founding fathers. They had no concept of a standing army. Unfortunately, modern people kind of gloss over the "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" part because it's inconvenient. However, it is as the founding fathers intended it.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    And there is still argument in some sense against a standing army. I think given the realities of the global political arena, it's wise to have a standing army. However, because that was essentially made after the fact it should have also come with further restrictions. Practically speaking, the government may need to assume new responsibilities or technologies; but it should never e unrestricted in those means.

    As to the militia; it's still necessary. The part of a "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,..." is still true. Even if we have a standing army to take care of our foreign wars (many of which we shouldn't engage in in the first place), the militia is important as well; including its ability to rise against the State if need be (if that State prove a significant threat to our freedom). Yet as the 2nd is written, the first part of the amendment is a necessity for the amendment. But it further states that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". In short, because of the necessity of a well regulated militia in regards to keeping a free State, the individual right of the People to keep and bear Arms cannot be infringed upon.
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