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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    All of the things you've mentioned are "infringements", yet they are all reasonable. That's why I think that it is a matter of where to draw the line.

    What groups actually want to ban all guns? I wouldn't think there would be a lot of support for that idea.
    This an excerpt from a quick Google.

    The Brady Campaign, for example, when it was called Handgun Control, Inc., was led by Nelson "Pete" Shields, who told New Yorker magazine in 1976 what the ultimate objective was:

    We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

    The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) is another group that changed its name. Once calling itself the Coalition to Ban Handguns, their name change came as a result of deciding that handguns weren't the only guns they wanted to ban:

    In that year [1989], the National Coalition to Ban Handguns changed its name to Coalition to Stop Gun Violence to reflect its view that assault rifles, as well as handguns, should be outlawed.

    The Violence Policy Center (VPC) is at least honest enough to continue to openly acknowledge advocating a complete handgun ban, with executive director Josh Sugarmann having published Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    This an excerpt from a quick Google.

    The Brady Campaign, for example, when it was called Handgun Control, Inc., was led by Nelson "Pete" Shields, who told New Yorker magazine in 1976 what the ultimate objective was:

    We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

    The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) is another group that changed its name. Once calling itself the Coalition to Ban Handguns, their name change came as a result of deciding that handguns weren't the only guns they wanted to ban:

    In that year [1989], the National Coalition to Ban Handguns changed its name to Coalition to Stop Gun Violence to reflect its view that assault rifles, as well as handguns, should be outlawed.

    The Violence Policy Center (VPC) is at least honest enough to continue to openly acknowledge advocating a complete handgun ban, with executive director Josh Sugarmann having published Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.
    OK, so there are some on that extreme. I doubt that they have a lot of support, but maybe.

    Now, if they could ban criminals having guns, I'd be for that.

    maybe they could just ban criminals.

    In the real world, their goals are no more attainable than the above.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, so there are some on that extreme. I doubt that they have a lot of support, but maybe.

    Now, if they could ban criminals having guns, I'd be for that.

    maybe they could just ban criminals.

    In the real world, their goals are no more attainable than the above.
    I would be in favor of any laws that would ban criminals, or criminals having guns, that does not interfere with my rights. Unfortunately, I think that too many look at total banning of firearms as the goal, and incremental steps as the means of attainment. The F & F fiasco more and more looks like a deliberate attempt at banning other than handguns, and the willingness to condone murder to achieve those goals by the highest levels of government is disturbing to me. We may never know all the facts surrounding the action as the records have been sealed or destroyed by those who were involved. There are rumors of a back door signing of UN resolutions which advocate total gun control.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I would be in favor of any laws that would ban criminals, or criminals having guns, that does not interfere with my rights. Unfortunately, I think that too many look at total banning of firearms as the goal, and incremental steps as the means of attainment. The F & F fiasco more and more looks like a deliberate attempt at banning other than handguns, and the willingness to condone murder to achieve those goals by the highest levels of government is disturbing to me. We may never know all the facts surrounding the action as the records have been sealed or destroyed by those who were involved. There are rumors of a back door signing of UN resolutions which advocate total gun control.
    F & F fiasco??
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    F & F fiasco??
    Fast and Furious

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    F & F fiasco??
    Your avatar is Bush and Obama mixed isn't it?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Josh Sugarmann is one of the most dishonest POS's to ever infect american political discourse. In the late 80s he realized that the effort to ban handguns was waning. so he looked for a new target-the then increasing in popularity military styled semi autos. they were the exact opposite of what the VPC claimed about handguns for they were

    1) expensive
    2) large
    3) hard to conceal
    4) very accurate
    5) and had almost no history of criminal misuse

    but they looked like the stuff we see in RAMBO, MISSING IN ACTION, DELTA FORCE and other uberviolent movies

    so Josh the POS sent a paper to liberal newspapers where he told them that the public can easily be CONFUSED over the fact that these weapons were not machine guns but THEY LOOK LIKE MACHINE GUNS so the MSM ought to deliberately confuse the public and pretend that "assault weapons" (a made up term by the VPC and their toadies in the press) were the same as real assault rifles. Proof-when ABC did a story on the clinton gun ban sunsetting in 9/04, the story started with two bankrobbers hosing down the streets of LA with MACHINE GUNS

    after clinton's magazine ban was passed. many gun makers realized that selling a pistol big enough to hold 17 shots was stupid if those guns were limited to 10 round magazines. so what happened-they started making more compact versions of their bigger handguns. Sugarmann had a fit whining that these makers were making MORE CONCEALABLE "Pocket rockets"

    when gun makers avoided the clinton gun ban by getting rid of cosmetic features-such as folding stocks or flash hiders, Sugarmann whined that the makers were "evading the spirit" of the moronic law

    face it-the VPC and its lead man are turds and their smell is ever increasing

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Josh Sugarmann is one of the most dishonest POS's to ever infect american political discourse. In the late 80s he realized that the effort to ban handguns was waning. so he looked for a new target-the then increasing in popularity military styled semi autos. they were the exact opposite of what the VPC claimed about handguns for they were

    1) expensive
    2) large
    3) hard to conceal
    4) very accurate
    5) and had almost no history of criminal misuse

    but they looked like the stuff we see in RAMBO, MISSING IN ACTION, DELTA FORCE and other uberviolent movies

    so Josh the POS sent a paper to liberal newspapers where he told them that the public can easily be CONFUSED over the fact that these weapons were not machine guns but THEY LOOK LIKE MACHINE GUNS so the MSM ought to deliberately confuse the public and pretend that "assault weapons" (a made up term by the VPC and their toadies in the press) were the same as real assault rifles. Proof-when ABC did a story on the clinton gun ban sunsetting in 9/04, the story started with two bankrobbers hosing down the streets of LA with MACHINE GUNS

    after clinton's magazine ban was passed. many gun makers realized that selling a pistol big enough to hold 17 shots was stupid if those guns were limited to 10 round magazines. so what happened-they started making more compact versions of their bigger handguns. Sugarmann had a fit whining that these makers were making MORE CONCEALABLE "Pocket rockets"

    when gun makers avoided the clinton gun ban by getting rid of cosmetic features-such as folding stocks or flash hiders, Sugarmann whined that the makers were "evading the spirit" of the moronic law

    face it-the VPC and its lead man are turds and their smell is ever increasing
    Thank you. You just reminded me to use the "what is an assault weapon" question in my politics course on the ridiculous and uneducated liberal children lol. I did it a few semesters ago when we discussed the second amendment, but instead of going there I used the "Are assault weapons fully automatic?" version of the argument and then continued to scare them with my vast knowledge of firearms. When asked why I knew so much and what possibile means I could have for such knowledge? I asked them why they cared? Why did they know so much about their favorite TV show?

    I of course later did a presentation on why it is important to know the facts about something BEFORE you discuss them. You cannot make a law about firearms unless you have an understanding of firearms knowledge. The same holds true for any other regulated piece of equipment. I then explained in that essentially a rule by the mob has become popular and that people do not listen to experts in these discussions.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    As far as the 2nd Amendment being the general right of lawful citizens to own firearms for sporting/self-defense, yes, I support that right and oppose efforts to unduly restrict that right for, again, lawful citizens.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Your avatar is Bush and Obama mixed isn't it?
    Yes. It's hard to tell where one leaves off and the other begins, isn't it? It's a lot like their policies.
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