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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yep, My nephew is a captain in the SF in Afghanistan running a camp. He said his two combat tours in the Rangers was actually more dangerous since that was out in the open heavy contact combat but then again people like him tend to downplay stuff
    I was processing this for a while. It seems that SF has more dangerous missions than the Rangers, however they have a tactical advantage as they are covert and thus they get intel on troop movements, positioning, armaments, and their entry points. The Rangers however tend to "hold position" if I remember correctly, this can be dangerous in that the enemy will obviously have the chance to get a lot of "run and gun" cheap shots, while they won't necessarily make a dent in the position they will take lives along the way, it's kind of a bad luck lottery.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I was processing this for a while. It seems that SF has more dangerous missions than the Rangers, however they have a tactical advantage as they are covert and thus they get intel on troop movements, positioning, armaments, and their entry points. The Rangers however tend to "hold position" if I remember correctly, this can be dangerous in that the enemy will obviously have the chance to get a lot of "run and gun" cheap shots, while they won't necessarily make a dent in the position they will take lives along the way, it's kind of a bad luck lottery.
    SF are force multipliers too right? They work with locals and teach them things? I would think that that means that they do opperate from secure loations? Not to mention I would think training and experience are huge with them as well (not taking danger away just saying that they know the deal).
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    SF are force multipliers too right? They work with locals and teach them things? I would think that that means that they do opperate from secure loations? Not to mention I would think training and experience are huge with them as well (not taking danger away just saying that they know the deal).
    Couldn't guess really. I wasn't in the service so the only things I get are what friends and relatives tell me, that sounds about right.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I own almost every variation of the 92 from the basic combat 92FS (M9) to the stainless to the compact to the Brigadier to the ELITE II and some of the gulf war, navy, army marine specials

    but by the the best (and a I have few) is these-they made 2000 in honor of Beretta's 500 years in business


    all stainless steel-heavy heavy gun, carbon grips, single action only

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    Beretta Web - Billennium
    ecofarm doesn't like the model and I've heard some say they love them others agree with him. I know they sure sold a lot of them and I've always thought the 92 is what a gun should look like. That Biliennium model is going to be worth $thousands if it already isn't. I was just reading that some gold investors are diversifying into gun collectables for their appreciative value. You must have a small fortune in firearms TD. My gun buddy loves the Walther PPK, which I thought my little .380 Bersa Thunder looked very similar.

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    BTW he says his DE .44mag doesn't knock his arm up in the air because it uses a gas-operated mechanism normally found in rifles, as opposed to the short recoil or blow-back designs most commonly seen in semi-automatic pistols. All I know is the thing is big, heavy and deafening. He did agree a heavier gun with longer barrel can take the kick out of the higher calibers.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    My wife gave me a billenium. we shot it since I would never sell a gift like that. Then I found one NIB I bought for about 1000-unfired-its going to stay that way 8 months later I was at the range and the manager had one that was in the aluminum case but was missing the original package. He asked me what I would pay for it. I said

    100 bucks over what you paid for it. He said that's a fair mark up but what IF I paid 1200 for it? I said you wouldn't pay that much but I made an offer, I will stand by it. he said "give me 750"

    One of the clerks said-We can sell that for 1000!!-

    the manager said-he stood by his offer, I intend to honor that-



    that's the one we shoot every once in a while

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Couldn't guess really. I wasn't in the service so the only things I get are what friends and relatives tell me, that sounds about right.
    Me either. I am working off of limited knowledge. Green Berrets are the force multipliers though. That is all I really know. They go in and teach people to do things.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    ecofarm doesn't like the model and I've heard some say they love them others agree with him. I know they sure sold a lot of them and I've always thought the 92 is what a gun should look like. That Biliennium model is going to be worth $thousands if it already isn't. I was just reading that some gold investors are diversifying into gun collectables for their appreciative value. You must have a small fortune in firearms TD. My gun buddy loves the Walther PPK, which I thought my little .380 Bersa Thunder looked very similar.

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    BTW he says his DE .44mag doesn't knock his arm up in the air because it uses a gas-operated mechanism normally found in rifles, as opposed to the short recoil or blow-back designs most commonly seen in semi-automatic pistols. All I know is the thing is big, heavy and deafening. He did agree a heavier gun with longer barrel can take the kick out of the higher calibers.
    Heavy barrel means less muzzle jump. It doesn't really take out the felt recoil. I shot a 9mm (cannot remember the model) and then a PX4 Storm Berreta in .45ACP and noticed that the 9mm was snappier and had a higher muzzle jump than the .45acp. I thought that was odd. Of course I was a lot more tired after shooting the .45acp though because my body was still feeling the recoil.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    SF are force multipliers too right? They work with locals and teach them things? I would think that that means that they do opperate from secure loations? Not to mention I would think training and experience are huge with them as well (not taking danger away just saying that they know the deal).

    Yes, its called Foreign Internal Defense. A good example is Afghanistan. With U.S. monetary aid and CIA backing, they created, supplied and trained the Northern Alliance to push back the Taliban.That is just one of their missions though Their duties include Long Range Reconnaissance, Counter-Terrorism, Unconventional Warfare and Direct Action.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    such hyperbolic nonesense.
    I am 100% positive that your statement has been repeated many times in human history by people supporting a government that has promised them Utopia if they will only sacrifice just one more freedom.

    The true believers scoff at the skeptics while anticipating the beautiful new world they have been promised untill they reach the totalitarian tipping point and the realization that utopia is actually a police state.

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