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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There could be a 7.62 variant, not sure as I really don't like the AK platform so I'm not fully invested in it. Wiki is open source so it's quite possible someone doesn't know that the typical AK round is comparable to the M16 Carbine, which is the 5.56. The Ak74 for my knowledge is the larger 7.62 round.

    I'm not wiggling out of anything, the cartridge is larger due to a higher powder load, the bullet is elongated and has a tip instead of the ball 22 round being compared. For instance my father owns a high powered rifle that fires tipped hunting ammo, it's got a larger cartridge, however my pistol has a short cased cartride, fires a larger round with a higher powder load, typically the rifle round will look larger but the .40 I'm firing has the larger round, however the rifle is much more accurate at longer distances and because of it's barrel characteristics will do more damage at further distances. The cartridge can be decieving. There is no excuse to outright ban small arms, there is no ballistic evidence, psychological evidence, or even legal evidence to support prior restraint.
    I own a dozen AK variants-Chinese, Hungarian, Russian, Egyptian, Bulgarian and Polish

    AK 47, Type 56 (China) and AKM

    762X39

    same caliber as the SKS rifle is chambered in


    AK-74 shoots a 5.45 which is slightly smaller in diameter than the 223 or 5.56 NATO round

    a 22 LONG RIFLE is the same diameter but has a much smaller shell while the 5.56 is a NECKED DOWN CARTRIDGE meaning the diameter of most of the shell is far wider than .22/100s

    the NATO 7.62 round is much longer than the SOVIET 762 round which are essentially around 30 caliber (.30/100s)

    the AK 74 round was designed to be the SOVIET answer to the 55 grain NATO round used in the original M16 (m193 ball IIRC). it was a 53 grain bullet

    the CURRENT NATO round is a heavier 62 grain bullet that requires a faster twist barrel to stabilize it-1X9 Minimum rather than the 1X12 in the original M16 the reason why the Military issue A2 and M4s are 1X7 is to optimize the tracer round

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I own a dozen AK variants-Chinese, Hungarian, Russian, Egyptian, Bulgarian and Polish

    AK 47, Type 56 (China) and AKM

    762X39

    same caliber as the SKS rifle is chambered in


    AK-74 shoots a 5.45 which is slightly smaller in diameter than the 223 or 5.56 NATO round

    a 22 LONG RIFLE is the same diameter but has a much smaller shell while the 5.56 is a NECKED DOWN CARTRIDGE meaning the diameter of most of the shell is far wider than .22/100s

    the NATO 7.62 round is much longer than the SOVIET 762 round which are essentially around 30 caliber (.30/100s)

    the AK 74 round was designed to be the SOVIET answer to the 55 grain NATO round used in the original M16 (m193 ball IIRC). it was a 53 grain bullet

    the CURRENT NATO round is a heavier 62 grain bullet that requires a faster twist barrel to stabilize it-1X9 Minimum rather than the 1X12 in the original M16 the reason why the Military issue A2 and M4s are 1X7 is to optimize the tracer round
    I had it backwards then. Still, this came about from the argument that the Aks are too powerful by another poster, either way it's a false logical premise in that both of these rounds are light assault and less powerful than many common hunting rifles readily accessible in the U.S.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    the general AK 47 variants involve

    1) country of manufacture

    2) receiver construction


    3) stock configuration-standard fixed, under folder, side folder

    The receivers were milled and stamped-stamped being far cheaper to make and while purists will say that machined risers are better for the serious shooter (which is why the banned from Import "POLY TECH LEGENDS" made in China are craved by collectors-they had the thickest milled receiver of any thing available in the USA) some experts claim the stamped receivers are more durable in full auto since they aren't as rigid and give with the full auto rather than cracking

    THe original AK 47 was milled, the far more common AKM was a lighter rifle with a stamped receiver. Those were replaced in the soviet arsenal by the AK 74 with the higher speed much lighter bullet

    Common variations include the TYPE 56 a chines copy of the soviet rifle, the TANTAL (a polish copy often in 545X39)

    some of the best made are the BULGARIANS imported to the USA by ARSENAL (milled and stamped receivers in 762X39, 545X39 and 556 NATO) the MAADI of Egypt-which is very close to the original AK 47, and the common Romanian WASRS ( the cheapest AK variation in the USA generally)

    THe best available in the USA are the Ishmash (SAIGA) rifles that have been converted (to meet 18 USC 922 C rules) back to semi auto AK 103 specs by RED JACKET or KREBS. The ARSENAL are general seen as being in the same league. The WASRS are the cheapest.

    another brilliant variation of the AK platform is the FINNISH Valmet. The VALMET receiver when Paired with a COLT M16 barrel served as the original platform of the famous Israeli GALIL assault rifle. Valmets are generally the most accurate of the AK variations

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I had it backwards then. Still, this came about from the argument that the Aks are too powerful by another poster, either way it's a false logical premise in that both of these rounds are light assault and less powerful than many common hunting rifles readily accessible in the U.S.
    the most popular big game cartridge in the USA-the 30-06 was our standard battle rifle and Light-to medium Machine gun round in WWI (P17, and the A3-03, Browning 30 Caliber Machine gun, the Garand of WWII, the BAR) and it is far more powerful than the 762 COMBLOC round.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the most popular big game cartridge in the USA-the 30-06 was our standard battle rifle and Light-to medium Machine gun round in WWI (P17, and the A3-03, Browning 30 Caliber Machine gun, the Garand of WWII, the BAR) and it is far more powerful than the 762 COMBLOC round.
    I did know that. The M1 Garand is an incredible weapon BTW. If I can ever get my FFLIII as a collector I want to obtain a B.A.R. 40 LMG, beautiful gun.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I did know that. The M1 Garand is an incredible weapon BTW. If I can ever get my FFLIII as a collector I want to obtain a B.A.R. 40 LMG, beautiful gun.
    The BAR was technically an automatic rifle rather than a LMG. It did not have a quick change barrel and it had a very limited ammo capacity (20 rounds). Yet it was loved by lots of our troops even though it was not designed for sustained suppressive fire like the LMG is

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The BAR was technically an automatic rifle rather than a LMG. It did not have a quick change barrel and it had a very limited ammo capacity (20 rounds). Yet it was loved by lots of our troops even though it was not designed for sustained suppressive fire like the LMG is
    Gotcha. I had a feeling it wasn't a legit LMG even though many people classify it as such,it's a fantastic weapon. I saw a clip of one taking a tree down somewhere, the sustained accuracy was really cool!
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Gotcha. I had a feeling it wasn't a legit LMG even though many people classify it as such,it's a fantastic weapon. I saw a clip of one taking a tree down somewhere, the sustained accuracy was really cool!
    the BREN Gun was actually the better of the automatic weapons according to an old CSM I used to spend a lot of time with learning about stuff about 25 years ago

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    LMR I wouldn't have held you to technical specs as anything important. What I don't know about ordinance could fill books, especially compared to others. And I actually like to watch shows on weapons, Top Shot, Sons of Guns, American Guns and Lock'N Load.

    The rifles used in the North Hollywood incident were 2 Romanian AIMs or Pistol Mitralieră model 1963, which is almost identical to the AKM/AKMS. 1 Norinco Type 56 S-1, 1 Heckler & Koch HK91 and 1 modified Bushmaster XM15 E2S. Again I don't know much but I'm not a gun hater just someone who doesn't want easy access.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    LMR I wouldn't have held you to technical specs as anything important. What I don't know about ordinance could fill books, especially compared to others. And I actually like to watch shows on weapons, Top Shot, Sons of Guns, American Guns and Lock'N Load.

    The rifles used in the North Hollywood incident were 2 Romanian AIMs or Pistol Mitralieră model 1963, which is almost identical to the AKM/AKMS. 1 Norinco Type 56 S-1, 1 Heckler & Koch HK91 and 1 modified Bushmaster XM15 E2S. Again I don't know much but I'm not a gun hater just someone who doesn't want easy access.

    From the movie Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, "skin that smoke wagon and see what happens", funny line.
    all of that stuff was banned in california and converting them is a federal felony

    in fact its illegal to own any guns if you are a felon or "INTEND" to use the gun in a crime

    why should access for people like me be restricted? criminals are already banned from owning them

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