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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Here's where the possibility came about. The police in that instance were taken by surprise and thus under equipped for the mission. The AK-47s didn't actually give the bad guys an advantage, the rapid fire was effective in suppression of the police, but they probably still had the basic uniform with level 1 BPVs, most rifles will penetrate those vests. By the time reinforcements arrived the criminals were "dug in" so they had a tactical advantage, more cover, etc. It wasn't the weapons they used but rather it was the will to hold off the underarmed and surprised police.
    the cops went to local gun stores and were given high power hunting rifles -the only people killed in that shootout were the two scumbags

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You mean two guys who used ILLEGAL machine guns after they PREMEDITATED felony robbery and attempted murder? GUNS THAT WERE BANNED UNDER FEDERAL AND CALIFORNIA LAW?

    yeah those laws were effective-only the scumbags had that stuff
    But, Mr.Turtle...those weapons were banned...so therefore no criminal could have used them to commit any crime...because the criminal would have known that those weapons were banned and out of respect for the law, would therefore not have acquired them for his felony, logically.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    But, Mr.Turtle...those weapons were banned...so therefore no criminal could have used them to commit any crime...because the criminal would have known that those weapons were banned and out of respect for the law, would therefore not have acquired them for his felony, logically.
    It is amazing the "thought process" of some on the left. people who would never own an illegal gun generally aren't going to shoot up half of Los Angeles. ON THE OTHER HAND, those who have no problem cranking off 300 rounds at police officers and other members of the public tend to have a mindset that ignores lower level criminal statutes

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is amazing the "thought process" of some on the left. people who would never own an illegal gun generally aren't going to shoot up half of Los Angeles. ON THE OTHER HAND, those who have no problem cranking off 300 rounds at police officers and other members of the public tend to have a mindset that ignores lower level criminal statutes
    It's amazing how you just mowed over my point without any consideration of what was actually being said. Just lower the brow and full steam ahead. You don't think if the two robbers who got those guns illegally that there wouldn't be more and worse types of crime if you made them all legal as you suggested? That wouldn't be logical at all. It'd be WW3 out there between Law Enforcement and the crazy criminals with the average, peaceful citizen paying the price. Some people need fast cars others need big guns to replace their bang, bang
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's amazing how you just mowed over my point...
    True. The whole "those guys make me worry about firearms being legal!" was obliterated in substance and theory. Try a different example.


    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Do you remember the North Hollywood shootout where the two guys who had the body armor and automatic weapons held off police? That's what scares me about having unlimited access to firepower for your average cuckoo individuals or even criminal gangs.
    Or are you going to claim that you meant, literally... "I am against unlimited access to firepower for cuckoos and gangs".
    Last edited by ecofarm; 01-06-12 at 10:55 AM.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    True.
    You literally never make any sense too me that's why I have no idea how to answer you. It's almost as if you're saying "apple sauce or sail boat" over and over. But I can attempt it.

    The whole "those guys make me worry about firearms being legal!" was obliterated in substance and theory. Try a different example.
    You mean the robbers were obliterated? Couldn't have been my statement because I haven't seen a literate response yet.

    Or are you going to claim that you meant, literally... "I am against unlimited access to firepower for cuckoos and gangs".
    Uhhh..yes and you're not? What's to stop them from going to the local Gun Mart and purchasing an arsenal if more lethal hardware is legalized?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    The Second Amendment makes the Americans the most feared people on earth by government.

    It is the last holdout__When Americans allow government to disarm them, the world will fall to the globalists.

    7+ billion people will be at the mercy of heavily armed governments__Attempts of resistance will mirror Tiananmen Square.

    Totalitarians do not like to return freedoms to the people who traded them for promises of a better life.

    BBC ON THIS DAY | 4 | 1989: Massacre in Tiananmen Square
    "The demonstrations in Tiananmen Square have been described as the greatest challenge to the communist state in China since the 1949 revolution.

    They were called to coincide with a visit to the capital by Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, by students seeking democratic reform."
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    The Second Amendment makes the Americans the most feared people on earth by government...
    such hyperbolic nonesense.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the cops went to local gun stores and were given high power hunting rifles -the only people killed in that shootout were the two scumbags
    I forgot how that ended to be honest, I knew the basic details. It's like I said in an earlier thread though, scope+Accuracy at distance = advantage.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the starting point for the argument as to what is too much has not been reached

    clearly all law abiding citizens should be able to own what our own tax dollars supplies CIVILIAN law enforcement agents.

    once we all can own submachine guns, 50 caliber long range "target interdiction" rifles and real assault rifles (all of which have been determined to be useful for CIVILIANS to protect them selves with in URBAN environments by various GOVERNMENTAL units) we can then argue whether NON MILITARY voters should be able to own belt fed heavy machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, hand held anti-tank rockets, STRELAS, and RPGs
    If you take the Second Amendment at its word, and don't try to interpret and edit it, then civilians do indeed have the right to own any and all of the above.

    So, I suppose anyone who is anti ownership of rockets, etc, must be anti second amendment.
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