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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is almost nothing about guns that I am unaware of. Its the sort of knowledge you get growing up in the home of a guy who was the HS national shotgun champion, a college varsity rifle champion, and who hunted all over the world. Me, a few national titles, a bunch of all-american teams, a few olympic trials finals, world championship top 10 finishes, and over 750,000 rounds out of handguns.

    I am not afraid of guns, cars, chain saws, or the 5000 dollar razor sharp hand forged katana that sits by the side of my nightstand. I have a healthy respect for all such tools
    Sounds like you're well trained and responsible. I wish that everyone who had access to weapons were but that's unfortunately not the world we live in.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Sounds like you're well trained and responsible. I wish that everyone who had access to weapons were but that's unfortunately not the world we live in.
    and I wish everyone who votes is as well educated on the issues as the better posters on this board but that will never be the case but the cost of limiting voting to what some think is proper is more dangerous than letting dullards vote as is limiting the constitutional right to KBA to people like me who are world class shots and have lectured police training classes on "use of force" issues

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yeah, but most pistols were for dueling because they had no accuracy or range. All weapons may be banned one day. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, sound familiar?

    I absolutely agree with your comprehension for the reason of the 2nd Amendment about keeping the government in check. Yep, the Kentucky long rifle helped us beat the Brits with it's range and accuracy. We didn't fight fair either..lol. We kept doing hit and run tactics that flipped their lids.

    No I don't believe in letting people have anything they want though you'd be amazed what they can get their hands on. My only point was there needs to be a combination of allowance and regulation enforcement.
    Firstly, it's impossible to ban all weapons, since anything up to and including a completely naked human can be a weapon under the right circumstances.

    Therefore, you ban the improper use of such. As we already do.

    Yep, the revoloutionary forces weren't as stuck in their ways as the british forces.


    I agree that letting people have anything they want is too much - but I think that any bans or tight restrictions on handguns, shotguns, or rifles of any type are also too much (the other way).

    And everything else should be under increasing restriction/requirement comparable with it's lethality.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Firstly, it's impossible to ban all weapons, since anything up to and including a completely naked human can be a weapon under the right circumstances.

    Therefore, you ban the improper use of such. As we already do.

    Yep, the revoloutionary forces weren't as stuck in their ways as the british forces.


    I agree that letting people have anything they want is too much - but I think that any bans or tight restrictions on handguns, shotguns, or rifles of any type are also too much (the other way).

    And everything else should be under increasing restriction/requirement comparable with it's lethality.
    the starting point for the argument as to what is too much has not been reached

    clearly all law abiding citizens should be able to own what our own tax dollars supplies CIVILIAN law enforcement agents.

    once we all can own submachine guns, 50 caliber long range "target interdiction" rifles and real assault rifles (all of which have been determined to be useful for CIVILIANS to protect them selves with in URBAN environments by various GOVERNMENTAL units) we can then argue whether NON MILITARY voters should be able to own belt fed heavy machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, hand held anti-tank rockets, STRELAS, and RPGs

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the starting point for the argument as to what is too much has not been reached

    clearly all law abiding citizens should be able to own what our own tax dollars supplies CIVILIAN law enforcement agents.

    once we all can own submachine guns, 50 caliber long range "target interdiction" rifles and real assault rifles (all of which have been determined to be useful for CIVILIANS to protect them selves with in URBAN environments by various GOVERNMENTAL units) we can then argue whether NON MILITARY voters should be able to own belt fed heavy machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, hand held anti-tank rockets, STRELAS, and RPGs
    Do you remember the North Hollywood shootout where the two guys who had the body armor and automatic weapons held off police? That's what scares me about having unlimited access to firepower for your average cuckoo individuals or even criminal gangs.

    Here's a signature for you TurtleDude... God didn't make all men equal, Smith & Wesson did.
    Last edited by grip; 01-06-12 at 12:42 AM.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    I love the overwhelming support for the 2nd Amendment.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    God will judge. Man is not righteous, and so can't judge righteously.
    Yet, God provided Judges. You're taking it too literally. It's not a free pass to ignore crime.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Do you remember the North Hollywood shootout where the two guys who had the body armor and automatic weapons held off police? That's what scares me about having unlimited access to firepower for your average cuckoo individuals or even criminal gangs.

    Here's a signature for you TurtleDude... God didn't make all men equal, Smith & Wesson did.
    Here's where the possibility came about. The police in that instance were taken by surprise and thus under equipped for the mission. The AK-47s didn't actually give the bad guys an advantage, the rapid fire was effective in suppression of the police, but they probably still had the basic uniform with level 1 BPVs, most rifles will penetrate those vests. By the time reinforcements arrived the criminals were "dug in" so they had a tactical advantage, more cover, etc. It wasn't the weapons they used but rather it was the will to hold off the underarmed and surprised police.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Simple yes or no answer.
    Yes, I are pro 2nd Amendment.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Do you remember the North Hollywood shootout where the two guys who had the body armor and automatic weapons held off police? That's what scares me about having unlimited access to firepower for your average cuckoo individuals or even criminal gangs.

    Here's a signature for you TurtleDude... God didn't make all men equal, Smith & Wesson did.
    You mean two guys who used ILLEGAL machine guns after they PREMEDITATED felony robbery and attempted murder? GUNS THAT WERE BANNED UNDER FEDERAL AND CALIFORNIA LAW?

    yeah those laws were effective-only the scumbags had that stuff

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