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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    hahaha. We don't NEED anything that our (government) job does not require!

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    Uh, that is not what I said. Try again. Actually don't because it isn't worth it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    I'm in complete agreement with the Second Amendment as long as only Law Enforcement and the Military get to have handguns, everyone else can have rifles.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm in complete agreement with the Second Amendment as long as only Law Enforcement and the Military get to have handguns, everyone else can have rifles.
    That make NO sense.

    Or at least, not currently...


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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No. Not in general. But on this question, yes.
    As I mentioned... extremely relative morality, to the point of abandoning objective (or scientific) morality. On what other issues does the fox rule the henhouse? Let me guess... patriarchial misogynism, religious freedom and consentual abuse. Oh, and genocide (you'll claim Iraq was better under Saddam).
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As I mentioned... extremely relative morality, to the point of abandoning objective morality. On what other issues do the fox rule the henhouse? Let me guess... patriarchial misogynism, religious freedom and consentual abuse. Oh, and genocide (you'll claim Iraq was better under Saddam).
    Hello?! What's wrong with you? Where did I say any of this? Please stop putting words in my mouth.

    And yes, this is completely uncalled for. Or are you joking?

    I'm a moral relativist who will justify stoning women to death, just because I believe Americans should decide about gun restrictions, instead of foreigners? WTF?

    (And that's not the first time you attack me completely out of the blue. I have no idea why. I even agree with some things you say.)
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That make NO sense.

    Or at least, not currently...


    Explain?
    Well, in 1790 when the 2nd Amendment was adopted along with the rest of the Bill of Rights it said "the right to keep and bear arms". It did not specify what kind and back then pistols were mostly for dueling for the few that could afford them or used in the military, so most likely the right to bear arms was intended for rifles, swords and knives. It's been argued here that the courts should set the necessary and proper test through SCOTUS precedents and case laws. Since handguns are almost exclusively used for shooting humans and concealment in violent crimes and far more people have been murdered with them than used in self defense, let the courts decide if the majority who are peaceful, do not wish to carry a deadly weapon should have their rights infringed upon by the minority of criminals and handgun right advocates.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Well, in 1790 when the 2nd Amendment was adopted along with the rest of the Bill of Rights it said "the right to keep and bear arms". It did not specify what kind and back then pistols were mostly for dueling for the few that could afford them or used in the military, so most likely the right to bear arms was intended for rifles, swords and knives. It's been argued here that the courts should set the necessary and proper test through SCOTUS precedents and case laws. Since handguns are almost exclusively used for shooting humans and concealment in violent crimes and far more people have been murdered with them than used in self defense, let the courts decide if the majority who are peaceful, do not wish to carry a deadly weapon should have their rights infringed upon by the minority of criminals and handgun right advocates.
    Where are your sources for the statements that far more people have been murdered with gun than used in self defense? Particularly with legal guns. Criminals get, or make guns outside legal sources. Where is your source that the majority who are peaceful and do not wish to carry are having their rights infringed by handgun rights advocates. The most available source to this post is the starting poll, where 90% are pro second amendment and 10% anti. The forum seems to have a reasonable mix of participants from all sides.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    (And that's not the first time you attack me completely out of the blue. I have no idea why. I even agree with some things you say.)
    I didn't attack you, I attacked moral relativity - a concept you were promoting. Don't get upset if you don't like the relatives of the position; reconsider the philosophy. How come every time I go after the relative morality in your arguments (and I do the same to everyone), you take it personally.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't attack you, I attacked moral relativity - a concept you were promoting. Don't get upset if you don't like the relatives of the position; reconsider the philosophy.
    Maybe because the question of gun restrictions is not exactly a question where there are moral absolutes?

    And when I make no compromises on the question of human rights, you don't like it either, you damn relativist.

    *shakes head*

    You know, I don't know what to make of you. One moment, you make a really smart statement, the next, you are acting like a ... whatever.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    I don't like relative morality, and I see you promoting it (apologetically, nonetheless) sometimes. Don't take it personally, absolutes aside.

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