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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, it is a reason due to the rights of other people.
    Can automatic weapons be infringed for the same reason?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And who would those otherwise law abiding citizens be?

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    The problem with your logic, and by no means an original thought on my part in these threads, is that it is you who wants to decide who is mentally capable of owning and handling a weapon before the fact. Frankly, if you come up with a 100% effective method for weeding out these before the fact incompetents, without infringing on my rights, then I would be in favor.
    The problem with your logic is you answered the question for me instead of letting me respond to it myself and then criticized me for the answers that you made up. Good job.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Per my personal policy of only reading threads that have over 50 posts if I am really interested in the topic, I'm responding to the OP:

    Which interpretation of the 2nd amendment do you refer to?

    If I answer “Yes”, am I agreeing with the interpretation that supports a right to personal weapon ownership?

    If I answer No, am I disagreeing with the interpretation that supports a right to own ANY weapon, up to and including nuclear bombs?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is that any reason to infringe on my right to bear arms?
    Technically that isn't an infringement, every single right has a limit but those limits must have a definitive argument. A mortar round isn't a .22 which isn't a nuke which isn't a cruise missle.....etc. etc.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, we agree that the modern U.S. is not something that the founding fathers would have wanted, clearly what they wrote in the founding documents can no longer be said to be applicable to the modern world, with a military situation outside of their intent, then people take the second amendment, which is a single sentence, strip off the first half of that sentence, and pretend that they're following the intent of the founding fathers?

    And then they do backflips desperately trying to rationalize that action. I don't get it.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    1 those people who use a gun in the commission of a crime...this is obvious
    2 those men in the mental wards of hospitals
    3 men with an IQ in the moran range
    4 and a toughie - those men who fail a test established by police and judges, those close to the results of gun use/misuse.
    5 me( bi-polar, ect)
    I somehow suspect that you would OK just about anyone owning a gun....
    That was easy and common sense....
    1) Absolutely. However if someone can keep their nose clean for a time period certain and apply for clemency then all rights should be restored. I believe in earned second chances.
    2) Once again, certification of mental problems is quite different than requiring people to submit to checks without probable cause. If someone has severe mental problms as to require confinement then yes they may be disbarred from owning a weapon. However if the problem is temporary and they gain a clean bill of mental health then all rights should be restored.
    3) There is no reason for this. There are plenty of people who would score in the sub-intelligent range who are capable of owning weapons responsibly.
    4) I will never accept having an authority designate rights. They may only strip them if they can prove their case.
    5) Bi-polar disorder can range from mood swings to psychosis. This goes to certification by a medical professional.
    * As to your last point. I am okay with VERY limited restrictions on any right but the state must prove necessary and proper and there is no leeway. Just as they should prove guilt in court they should prove need and authority in law.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Violent crime has been up every year I've checked the statistics in gun control countries, moreso than firearms violence in the U.S. It doesn't matter if you are shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, burned, beaten, or curb kicked. Dead is dead, raped is raped, robbed is robbed.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Can automatic weapons be infringed for the same reason?
    That is a tricky subject. Full autos are inaccurate because of ride up and the rate of fire, they are usually undersized compared to a typical hunting rifle, and aren't really all that reliable. Where they become dangerous is the chance of a lucky shot, this goes up due to the rate of fire but is much less dangerous than a ranged shot placed on target. If some moron decides to open fire on his neighborhood with a SAW there are ordinances to deal with that locally, such as laws prohibiting discharge within corporate or city limits. If someone misses at a firing range "no harm, no foul" Whereas if someone misses with a mortar round or artillery it could ruin someone's property values signifigantly(yes I'm understating).
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Violent crime has been up every year I've checked the statistics in gun control countries, moreso than firearms violence in the U.S. It doesn't matter if you are shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, burned, beaten, or curb kicked. Dead is dead, raped is raped, robbed is robbed.
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Homicide rate by country. The difference between the US and other 1st world countries is pretty significant. The only countries we're comparable to are bannana republics. I don't see how in any way making access to firearms as easy as possible has made the US a safer country for anyone.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The problem with your logic is you answered the question for me instead of letting me respond to it myself and then criticized me for the answers that you made up. Good job.
    Right, my bad. So I'll rephrase. Who should decide who is mentally competent to own and use a firearm for any reason? As it stands now (in Virginia), a background check is made which eliminates convicted felons, and previous mental patients are precluded, although I do not know how this is checked. I think you might run afoul of the patient-doctor privilege. I know of no test that predetermines with any degree of certainty the chances of someone committing a violent crime. If you are talking about after the fact, those measures are already in place.

    As I said, if and when you can show me a test that will determine future violent criminals without infringing on my rights, I would agree with your premise.

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