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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    I voted yes but im sure theres some out there that would say im not

    Im all for the rights of every american to own a gun. I would change the handgun age to 18 and I would also make CWP national or recognized by every state like drivers licenses.

    and here where it gets tricky

    I am fine with background checks, i want this, as long as they are quick and efficient.
    I am fine with limiting the number of guns able to be bought at one time unless you are a dealer. I want this
    I am fine with limiting the areas you can actually carry your weapon BUT my limit would only be SOME government buildings, large commercial airplanes and of course maybe some other places like an MRI room etc where metal period is a problem. I want this
    I am fine with registering all guns, I want this too

    now even though I want those things and support those things, I do think they violate the 2nd and would not argue that they dont. I just want those things enforced the proper way, legally.

    there maybe some other stuff i agree or disagree with but this is of the top of my head

    I also wish we had a national castle law that reflected the same in all states giving property and person protection rights to use lethal force if needed. The fight or flight laws are ridiculous IMO.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And what mental problems would that be? What "Other traits" do you and the rest of the anti-gun crowd consider to qualify for "no business owning guns"? Give us a complete list. Considering that not all "mental problems" are created equal and even two different cases of the same affliction aren't created equal. Give us some "other traits" within your distinct "weapons expertise".
    1 those people who use a gun in the commission of a crime...this is obvious
    2 those men in the mental wards of hospitals
    3 men with an IQ in the moran range
    4 and a toughie - those men who fail a test established by police and judges, those close to the results of gun use/misuse.
    5 me( bi-polar, ect)
    I somehow suspect that you would OK just about anyone owning a gun....
    That was easy and common sense....

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It can be proven that they cause unintended collateral damage when used properly. BTW, some of those things are legal with a proper ordnance license.
    Is that any reason to infringe on my right to bear arms?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Yes, it is a reason due to the rights of other people.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe strongly in the right to own a gun and if I had one it would be for social unrest not home defense. As long as I'm physically able to use a putter against someones kneecap that will have to suffice. My worst nightmare is to unload a clip into a family member or teenage kid making a stupid decision. How many times have you hopped out of bed because something went "crick!" in the night and held a bat, club etc? Or did you have a handful of .44 magnum Desert Eagle ready to turn someone into meatloaf?
    I highly suggest (and practice) that the FIRST round in a home defense firearm should be non-lethal (only rarely causing death) such as rubber bullets. It would be very, very rare that would not deter someone the extra second you need to fully wake up or fully realize the level of actual danger. It also provides a better legal defense in some situations. If someone keeps coming at you after you shoot them with a rubber bullet (or bean bag if a shotgun) you have a clearer claim that only deadly force would stop the person, that your pre-mindset is to NOT wanting to kill someone, and - of course - that you did at least something to avoid reckless endangerment by you in relation to your children.

    Anyone who's been hit by a rubber bullet could confirm that only a lunatic would keep charging at someone even if just firing those. However, never play with those too. They do have lethal potential.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I highly suggest (and practice) that the FIRST round in a home defense firearm should be non-lethal (only rarely causing death) such as rubber bullets. It would be very, very rare that would not deter someone the extra second to wake up or fully realize the level of actual danger. It also provides a better legal defense in some situations. If someone keeps coming at you after you shoot them with a rubber bullet (or bean bag if a shotgun) you have a clearer claim that only deadly force would stop the person, that your pre-mindset is to NOT wanting to kill someone, and - of course - that you did at least something to avoid reckless endangerment by you in relation to your children.
    I would think, if some intruder with a knife/gun, was in your home, you'd be more inclined to have a nice and effective metal bullet as the first shot, instead of a bean bag or a rubber bullet.

    You know, I'm not partial to giving the intruder added chances of succes in robbing/killing me.

    Don't know about you, but I sure don't.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Anyone who's been hit by a rubber bullet could confirm that only a lunatic would keep charging at someone even if just firing those. However, never play with those too. They do have lethal potential.
    So we are to rely on the fact that the criminal intruding is going to be reasonable and logical when attacking?
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    We have a lower overall violent crime rate, even with different reporting standards that favor the international community. We have higher gun crime rates but others are trending up.
    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Firearm deaths per citizen.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So we are to rely on the fact that the criminal intruding is going to be reasonable and logical when attacking?
    me personally, and this is just a little rant not really directed at anybody lol

    I would NEVER do that, I deem you dangerous and irrational the moment you try to break in. There is no LOGICAL reason to think other wise, you are a stranger that forced your way in to my house therefor you are a threat, if you dont want to be deemed a threat keep your ass outside of my house.

    I will NEVER buy into the nonsense thats its my responsibility to risk/chance injury/death to me or my family by trying to decide why you are breaking the law and made yourself a threat.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    An intruder accepts the possibility death when he breaks into my home.

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