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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Certification is the key problem. Many of the people who throw out mental deficiency and criminal intent paint with such a broad brush that anyone who would show any mild spectrum problem would be disqualified, if you look deeply enough that could be applied to anyone.
    Then make it more sever; define the metal disorder as bahivior that the is uncontrollable by the patient and will result in violence or something along those lines.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Even if control freaks were able to remove all fire arms from the US there still would be firearms not only in a black market, but there are thousands of gun smiths capable of building a firearm from scratch. And the prohibition of alcohol and the current prohibition of drugs should be proof enough that prohibitions do not work as intended. Plus the fact the the right to bear arms is American culture if that right is removed you might as well just say hey we are starting civil war by trying to take away your right to bear arms. And I have no doubt that Americans would over react to such action.
    Whose making that argument? I havent' seen one person make the argument to remove all guns from the US.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    You cannot get rid of all fire arms that just nonsense. I personally believe you should be able to own any firearms. I believe however you should have to be able to go through a license process if you want to own assault rifles or fully autos.


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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Whose making that argument? I havent' seen one person make the argument to remove all guns from the US.
    I voted as requested by the OP and then voiced my opinion, just like everyone else did. I do not need to address anyone to voice my opinion.

    But non the less there are people who advocate the same control laws that are in Australia and elsewhere. Which is should be an obvious connection to whether we approve of the second amendment or not.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So you don't think we have any issues? That the higher the normal gun death rate in the US is abnormal or proof that our lax gun controls are not working? I'm definately not for any sort of gun ban, I honestly don't care if responsible people have weapons and in a rural area I wouldn't live without one. At the same time, obviously we have an issue with a huge amount of guns that get out into the wrong hands very easily. I'm guessing it's very easy to get a gun...like go to a gun show and buy one bypassing any laws.

    There's a major difference between requiring something and not enforcing it.
    We have a lower overall violent crime rate, even with different reporting standards that favor the international community. We have higher gun crime rates but others are trending up.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Then make it more sever; define the metal disorder as bahivior that the is uncontrollable by the patient and will result in violence or something along those lines.
    I agree with that completely. I was bringing up the lax standards set forth by the anti-gun groups and some in our government who agree, they use PTSD as an example which is a broad spectrum disorder that can range from a person locking up to hallucinating, or they will use other things like Schizophrenia, autism, etc. which all run the spectrum from mild to severe. I have no problem with individual behavioral precedent being used to prohibit, what I have a problem with is people using any diagnosis to justify said prohibition.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You cannot get rid of all fire arms that just nonsense. I personally believe you should be able to own any firearms. I believe however you should have to be able to go through a license process if you want to own assault rifles or fully autos.
    People can already be licensed for full auto ownership, it's hard though, you have to obtain an FFL3 license which requires one to either be a dealer or collector, then they must pay tax on all licensed weapons in the catagory, have prints on file with the F.B.I., pass a psych evaluation, and maintain the license. I don't have a problem with licensure in that case but it should be relatively easy. Pass a psych eval. every five years, pay a yearly fee, keep records up to date, pass competency exam.
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    Yes. No one has the right to cut off my arms without my consent!
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So you don't think we have any issues? That the higher the normal gun death rate in the US is abnormal or proof that our lax gun controls are not working? I'm definately not for any sort of gun ban, I honestly don't care if responsible people have weapons and in a rural area I wouldn't live without one. At the same time, obviously we have an issue with a huge amount of guns that get out into the wrong hands very easily. I'm guessing it's very easy to get a gun...like go to a gun show and buy one bypassing any laws.

    There's a major difference between requiring something and not enforcing it.
    Perhaps some references to the statement that the US has a higher than normal gun death rate is in order.

    The gun show loophole, at least in Virginia is pretty much a myth. At the last gun show I attended, of the several hundred vendors, only a couple were selling from their own collections. Private sales are exempt in Virginia. Of the rest, those selling guns are FFL holders, and as such do the proper background checks prior to purchase.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    People can already be licensed for full auto ownership, it's hard though, you have to obtain an FFL3 license which requires one to either be a dealer or collector, then they must pay tax on all licensed weapons in the catagory, have prints on file with the F.B.I., pass a psych evaluation, and maintain the license. I don't have a problem with licensure in that case but it should be relatively easy. Pass a psych eval. every five years, pay a yearly fee, keep records up to date, pass competency exam.
    Yea i realize that people can own full autos. But i partly agree with your statement. I believe you should have to obtain a special (FFL3) license to own a full auto weapon. I believe that you should have to pay a tax, and obtain the license. I believe that you should have to take a special class, and must be 21 years or older. I however believe that the psych test and the FBI profile is ridiculous.


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