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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    i believe i have a natrual born right to protect myself, my family AND my property with equal or greater force as to what is being used against me......if an intruder confronts me with a gun...i will retaliate with a gun.....if an intruder confronts me with a stick...i will retaliate with a gun.....here in NC the new Castle Doctrine just went into affect....no longer does a home owner have to try to flee before using deadly force nor does he have contemplate a list of other requirements before pulling the trigger......some criminals have already tested the new law, however we will never be able to hear their thoughts about it

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    And law abiding citizens with mental problems or other traits that ensure they have no business owning guns.
    And what mental problems would that be? What "Other traits" do you and the rest of the anti-gun crowd consider to qualify for "no business owning guns"? Give us a complete list. Considering that not all "mental problems" are created equal and even two different cases of the same affliction aren't created equal. Give us some "other traits" within your distinct "weapons expertise".
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You may restrict any right with a very strict test. Necessary and proper, necessary means you must prove beyond a doubt that there is either "imminent danger", "clear and present danger", or other very strict, provable, and immediate threats in order to restrict a right. In other words owning a fully automatic doesn't hurt anyone, using it is a danger, but you would have to prove that people are using them illegitimately in large numbers to properly restrict the right. Proper must have proof and necessity.
    Is the same true of missiles, bombs, and RPGs?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And what mental problems would that be? What "Other traits" do you and the rest of the anti-gun crowd consider to qualify for "no business owning guns"? Give us a complete list. Considering that not all "mental problems" are created equal and even two different cases of the same affliction aren't created equal. Give us some "other traits" within your distinct "weapons expertise".
    I'll answer your questions when you show that you can comprehend my words by stopping your use of "anti-gun". I'm not going to bother giving authentic answers just to hear, "but you don't really believe that, liar" which is what you're saying by calling me "anti-gun".

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, by limiting magazine capacity, we can limit the number of politicians who are murdered by so-called Freedom Fighters, who think deadly violence is the first & only option to address political grievances.
    There ain't so many of them, so we don't really need to worry about it.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You don't get it. YOU are telling us all we need to know with your stance and the language used. The pro-second side has heard all that crap before, and surpisingly never from people who want to preserve the right.
    So again, you are telling a stranger who they are based on previous "crap" you've heard from people who aren't me.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Just for consistency sake. Are you pro-First Amendment or anti? Do you think freedom of speech should be in all circumstances including yelling fire in a theatre or bomb on a plane? What are you thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"? I don't know your views but to point to only one Amendment and create a false all or nothing scenario is faulty logic.
    Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a limitation because it directly sets up an environment where the rights of the individual are threatened.

    But in general, very few people support in full all the rights. Some hate OWS and talk about government force against their right to assemble and protest. Some hate guns and talk about government force against the right to keep and bear arms. It is a rare individual these days, sadly enough, who can accept ALL the rights and gladly shoulder the responsibilities and consequences which come with freedom.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It was never ruled as a collective right, just the opposite. The collective rights argument comes from an intentional mis-reading of the purpose of the comma within the amendment. The subordinate clause is the militia argument that has no bearing on the main clause of no infringement. The militia argument was intentionally created to weaken the breadth of the second by forcing the right into collective use.
    It was an ablative clause, or something, and it is not an intentional mis-reading... it is grammar. I also think that this strengthens the 2nd, not weakens it.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a limitation because it directly sets up an environment where the rights of the individual are threatened.

    But in general, very few people support in full all the rights. Some hate OWS and talk about government force against their right to assemble and protest. Some hate guns and talk about government force against the right to keep and bear arms. It is a rare individual these days, sadly enough, who can accept ALL the rights and gladly shoulder the responsibilities and consequences which come with freedom.
    True, and yet, if we can't accept people we disagree with having rights, then none of us has rights.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Just for consistency sake. Are you pro-First Amendment or anti? Do you think freedom of speech should be in all circumstances including yelling fire in a theatre or bomb on a plane? What are you thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"? I don't know your views but to point to only one Amendment and create a false all or nothing scenario is faulty logic.
    Exactly, the idea that I have to spell out the fact that rights must sometimes be limited for safety sake is nonsensical. It's not an all or nothing scenario. I remember the guy who shot up Virginia Tech had a history of mental problems that were pretty much ignored in the official sense. People like him should not have guns.

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