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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Incorrect. You are anti-gun and don't even realize it. Either you believe in the second or you don't, either you believe that limits on the BOR must meet necessary and proper or you don't. There is no such thing is "I am pro-_________, but........." when dealing with this issue. If you have to issue a qualifier then you are not being honest with yourself. This is your failing not mine. You actually think that the second is a "collective right"? Do you know which side of the issue thinks it's a "collective right"?
    In this post, you tell a stranger who they are based on your feelings and you try to bully/shame someone into agreeing with you. I'm not interested.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Incorrect. You are anti-gun and don't even realize it. Either you believe in the second or you don't, either you believe that limits on the BOR must meet necessary and proper or you don't. There is no such thing is "I am pro-_________, but........." when dealing with this issue. If you have to issue a qualifier then you are not being honest with yourself. This is your failing not mine.
    Just for consistency sake. Are you pro-First Amendment or anti? Do you think freedom of speech should be in all circumstances including yelling fire in a theatre or bomb on a plane? What are you thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"? I don't know your views but to point to only one Amendment and create a false all or nothing scenario is faulty logic.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that it is a collective right as Scalia described in whatever case that was...
    It was never ruled as a collective right, just the opposite. The collective rights argument comes from an intentional mis-reading of the purpose of the comma within the amendment. The subordinate clause is the militia argument that has no bearing on the main clause of no infringement. The militia argument was intentionally created to weaken the breadth of the second by forcing the right into collective use.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In this post, you tell a stranger who they are based on your feelings and you try to bully/shame someone into agreeing with you. I'm not interested.
    You don't get it. YOU are telling us all we need to know with your stance and the language used. The pro-second side has heard all that crap before, and surpisingly never from people who want to preserve the right.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Yes, as well as my family. Had it not been for her shotgun, my sister could have been raped and killed in her home.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And as we saw with the Congresswoman, they murdering everyone they can at that time. That is the same with workplace, college and public rage killings. It isn't just the targeted person(s) - but everyone they can possibly kill for no reason other than killing as many people as possible.
    So what are you saying?

    The actions of one crazy person adds weight to the gun debate?

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Just for consistency sake. Are you pro-First Amendment or anti? Do you think freedom of speech should be in all circumstances including yelling fire in a theatre or bomb on a plane? What are you thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"? I don't know your views but to point to only one Amendment and create a false all or nothing scenario is faulty logic.
    You may restrict any right with a very strict test. Necessary and proper, necessary means you must prove beyond a doubt that there is either "imminent danger", "clear and present danger", or other very strict, provable, and immediate threats in order to restrict a right. In other words owning a fully automatic doesn't hurt anyone, using it is a danger, but you would have to prove that people are using them illegitimately in large numbers to properly restrict the right. Proper must have proof and necessity.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Two rather stupid options...on an emotional, non-thinking basis, I'd rather have a weapon to blow this SOB to Kingdom-Come.
    But, thinking ahead is better.. Far too many home-owners with weapons have this defense fail on them....
    I favor working on conditions to prevent the "crack-head" in the first place.
    That sounds great. I'm sure some day we'll create some perfect society where there is no crime whatsoever and we all join hands every day at dawn and sing Kumbayah to greet the new day.

    Until that glorious day comes, crime in general and home invasions in particular will be a fact of life. You can take steps to make it more difficult, but its almost impossible to keep someone who is sufficiently motivated from breaking and entering into a private residence. Especially for middle and working class folks who can't afford elaborate security measures. And I guarantee you any reasonable thinking person when faced with a home intrusion would be glad to have firearm in their hands.

    And when man thinks of his fellow man as being a "bastard", then one must know that we have some serious problems in our society.
    GUNS ARE NOT THE ANSWER!!!
    Someone who breaks into my house and intends to cause me, my family, or my property harm is indeed a bastard. A society that can't recognize that basic fact has serious problems.

    I never understand people who are so anti-gun. Does anyone really think laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals? People who by definition have no respect or regard for the law? The only people gun bans prevent from having guns are law abiding citizens.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Someone who breaks into my house and intends to cause me, my family, or my property harm is indeed a bastard. A society that can't recognize that basic fact has serious problems.

    I never understand people who are so anti-gun. Does anyone really think laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals? People who by definition have no respect or regard for the law? The only people gun bans prevent from having guns are law abiding citizens.
    This, x1000.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    The only people gun bans prevent from having guns are law abiding citizens.
    And law abiding citizens with mental problems or other traits that ensure they have no business owning guns.

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