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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    because he claimed he supported the second amendment and "gun rights"
    The word "gun" is not found in the Second Amendment.
    Supporting the second amendment is not the same as supporting a particular interpretation of it.

    and that observation is by someone who believes that every non felon should be able to get a concealed carry permit.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    And what does that have to do with my response?
    when people who claim that the second amendment doesnt recognize an individual right while claiming they support "gun rights" or they are not "anti-gun" I tend to be a bit cynical

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The word "gun" is not found in the Second Amendment.
    Supporting the second amendment is not the same as supporting a particular interpretation of it.

    and that observation is by someone who believes that every non felon should be able to get a concealed carry permit.
    I agree, laws banning automatic knives (aka switch blades) butterfly knives, sword canes, nunchaku and all that stuff that causes some ninnies to lose control of their bladders after watching too many Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal films, are equally unconstitutional

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope-liberal moderate and conservative legal scholars.

    stephens isn't exactly a high wattage justice and his dissent was based on a house of cards
    You realize Stevens wasn't the only Justice to dissent - 3 others did so as well so this is, unfortunately for you, not as clear cut an interpretation as you would like.

    Nonetheless, what do the political leans of those who agree with you have to do with anything? I don't recall saying only conservatives or liberals would support your argument. I said that by "widely lampooned", you actually mean, "it was criticized by those who share my opinion". And I am right. It was condemned by some and praised by others. It was criticized by some legal scholars and supported by others. Your posts simply treat opinions that differ from your own as foolish or something similar. Unfortunately, "I'm right and you're stupid" doesn't erase the validity of those arguments.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when people who claim that the second amendment doesnt recognize an individual right while claiming they support "gun rights" or they are not "anti-gun" I tend to be a bit cynical
    Well your cynicism has no effect on the authenticity of my statement.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You realize Stevens wasn't the only Justice to dissent - 3 others did so as well so this is, unfortunately for you, not as clear cut an interpretation as you would like.

    Nonetheless, what do the political leans of those who agree with you have to do with anything? I don't recall saying only conservatives or liberals would support your argument. I said that by "widely lampooned", you actually mean, "it was criticized by those who share my opinion". And I am right. It was condemned by some and praised by others. It was criticized by some legal scholars and supported by others. Your posts simply treat opinions that differ from your own as foolish or something similar. Unfortunately, "I'm right and you're stupid" doesn't erase the validity of those arguments.
    Souter didn't want to write a dissent, he was by far the smartest of the dissenters and probably realized that he couldn't come up with an intellectually sound dissent. Breyer's was as pathetic as Stevens==he argued that "rights" are subject to the environment. which is that if NYC has a gun problem (of course he ignored the factual evidence that gun laws have never been proven to advance public safety) they could interpret the amendment differently than say Idaho or New Mexico

    which of course would mean that a police captain facing a terrorist attack should be able to attach jumper cables to the testicles of some terrorist to get answers but the traffic cop cannot beat the crap out of a guy charged with shoplifting.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well your cynicism has no effect on the authenticity of my statement.
    Oh your statement is authentically yours

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Eye R pro-2nd amendment, yes.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not anti-gun. Fail.
    Then you may want to use better logic than Brady campaign material, you are essentially mirroring their statements. So you are right, there is a major fail, it just doesn't happen to be mine.
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    Re: Are pro-2nd Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The word "gun" is not found in the Second Amendment.
    Supporting the second amendment is not the same as supporting a particular interpretation of it.

    and that observation is by someone who believes that every non felon should be able to get a concealed carry permit.
    Unless you go by the interpretation that those who wrote it and ratified it had, then it, and any other constitutional clause or law, can dramatically shift its meaning at the whim of the judges interpreting it.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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