View Poll Results: What would it take to switch parties in a Federal election?

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    1 2.44%
  • Depends on candidate's view of Social Programs

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  • Depends on candidate's view of Tax Structure

    1 2.44%
  • Depends on candidate's view of Military

    0 0%
  • Depends on candidate's view of Environment

    0 0%
  • Depends on candidate's view of World Affairs

    0 0%
  • It would take more than 1 big issue to sway me from my normal vote

    19 46.34%
  • I only vote for my party

    2 4.88%
  • I don't vote

    2 4.88%
  • You left a necessary choice out for me - I'll explain.

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Thread: Would you consider switching parties if...?

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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Universal health care is not covered in that part of the constitution or any other part. Neither is a system of national parts or NASA. It's simply not covered and is therefore left to us, not the founding fathers, to decide. No ridiculous misinterpretation of the constitution will change that.
    Actually, the Constitution specifically says the federal government has no powers except which is granted by the Constitution itself, all other powers are reserved for the states. Therefore, the federal government can't simply invent new things that it has control over. Secondly. while the federal government has control over interstate commerce, it has no legal ability to force individuals to make purchases. That means it cannot force anyone to buy health care.
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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    They are the party of "NO". McConnell stated that their only goal was to make Obama a one-term president. They put a hold on 70 of his appointments in the Senate, a record number of filibusters, refusing to vote on any Obama jobs plan since the teabaggers took over the house...even opposing their own ideas if Obama approves them. Obstructionism in the extreme. The debt ceiling hostage holding debacle was obscene, and their refusal to compromise caused US credit rating to be lowered for the first time in our history.
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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Universal health care is not covered in that part of the constitution or any other part. Neither is a system of national parts or NASA. It's simply not covered and is therefore left to us, not the founding fathers, to decide. No ridiculous misinterpretation of the constitution will change that.
    WRONG. Cephus already commented on why it's wrong, so I'll refrain from repeating it all, since he did it much more politely than I probably would have.

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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Conservatives want small government... the modern day Republican party hardly wants that, they're just as bad as the Democrats. Conservatives want government out of people's lives... the modern day Republican party hardly wants that, they're just as bad as the Democrats. Separation of church and state is enshrined in the Constitution. Let me know when you find either party supporting that. Both use religion as a force for kissing up to the voters.
    Since now you want to discuss the here and now, and perhaps the last few decades, I'll bite. Modern American conservatives emphasize small government, modern American conservatives used a mixture of appealing to less government in people's lives as well as having surges in the opinion it needed to uphold values (sometimes through the promotion of religion in public life). Religion has always been a useful means of 1) "kissing up to the voters" 2) Being a useful mechanism to encourage proper behavior and a concern for one's lot in the afterlife.

    I know your little red button is religion, but that does not excuse the blatant disregard of history.
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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, the Constitution specifically says the federal government has no powers except which is granted by the Constitution itself, all other powers are reserved for the states. Therefore, the federal government can't simply invent new things that it has control over. Secondly. while the federal government has control over interstate commerce, it has no legal ability to force individuals to make purchases. That means it cannot force anyone to buy health care.
    The Constitution does indeed say that. I think it lasted about 20 minutes.

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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    That video of Nixon is from 1971. In 1974 he proposed a universal health care system that included a public option. Unfortunately, it didn't pass because Democrats wanted single payer and thought they could win the White House and get it. Nixon was in trouble at the time because of Watergate. He later was too distracted by his Watergate problems to continue pursuing it.

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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Please provide a reference for Nixon "trying to get universal health care". He is the primary reason we have the health care we have now. He was strictly pro for-profit healthcare...higer cost, less care. Please refer to my other reply to you with the video provided.
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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    The federal government mandated health care in 1798.
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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    WRONG. Cephus already commented on why it's wrong, so I'll refrain from repeating it all, since he did it much more politely than I probably would have.
    His is a silly misinterpretation of the constitution. If that interpretation were correct, we would have to disband NASA and the national parks system since the constitution doesn't specifically permit those. The founding fathers could not have anticipated everything that will be invented or problems we'll face. We have to decide those things for ourselves. When the constitution was written, universal health care had not even been invented yet. It didn't come around until Otto von Bismark did so in the 1870s.

    The issue is simply not addressed in the constitution. It's not even possible for it to have been addressed. That leaves it up to us, and no ridiculous misinterpretation of the constitution can change that.

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    Re: Would you consider switching parties if...?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    So, Alex, er - I mean, Pashendale - your primary issue is one of Social Equality; Social Programs; or both? Meaning, if a Republican outlined a more progressive social program (and you believed he was sincere and able), then would you vote Republican - or, did I read you wrong?
    Yes, I would. Without any reservations. Why wouldn't I vote for the ones who best represent my goals? It's technically a mere coincidence that one side tends to do this more than the other. But yes, I am supportive of ideas, and wouldn't care a lick whether the person espousing that idea had a D or an R next to their name. Or an I. Or whatever. I have many times tried to argue that the source of an idea is largely irrelevant compared to the idea itself, though that argument tends to come up in religious discussions. But yeah, despite being really freaked out by fundamental religious candidates, if one of them said he would do everything in his power to ensure that no one ever went hungry or homeless, and that it was because Jesus had commanded him to, I'd be loudly in support of him.

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