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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    I say, giving the President more power is a bad idea.
    If we want to stop Congress from adding unrelated items in bills then we need something like theOne Subject at a Time Actor OSTA.
    We need to limit power rather than grant more power.
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I say, giving the President more power is a bad idea.
    If we want to stop Congress from adding unrelated items in bills then we need something like theOne Subject at a Time Actor OSTA.
    We need to limit power rather than grant more power.
    The more I read the responses to this thread, and the more I think about it, the less sure I am that a line item veto is a good idea after all. One subject at a time might work better, but who is going to pass it? The same Congress that likes to play dirty politics by passing bills with unrelated subjects?
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Yep, I'm for it. As for concern about abuses of a line-item-veto....Bwahahahaha! Is that anything like abuses of legislation by congress? Because I'm pretty sure that a line-item veto, whether it's fairly applied or partisianly applied will get rid of at least half the abuse in any given year. GOP abuses cut during a Democrat Prez's term, Democrat abuses cut during a GOP Prez's term would be the worst case scenario. And right now, worst case is STILL better than what we've got, which is no budget, record deficit, and complete congressional paralysis.

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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The more I read the responses to this thread, and the more I think about it, the less sure I am that a line item veto is a good idea after all. One subject at a time might work better, but who is going to pass it? The same Congress that likes to play dirty politics by passing bills with unrelated subjects?
    Just because you doubt Congress will pass such a bill does not mean we need to give the federal government more power. The federal government already assumes they have more power beyond what the US Constitution grants them so why codify it with an amendment? As a libertarian we need less government, eh?
    I think you would be surprised how many in Congress would support OSTA. It will take hard work but, that is the nature of such things.
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    I have thought about this and realize I voted wrongly. Think about what we would create if the POTUS could do this. The POTUS not having line item veto keeps the balance in the bills and legislation that he has to sign. What good would it be to write the bills with Dem or GOP items in it if you know the POTUS is going to veto it anyway? Politicians would just give up and it would give the Pres a lot more autocratic power.
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I have thought about this and realize I voted wrongly. Think about what we would create if the POTUS could do this. The POTUS not having line item veto keeps the balance in the bills and legislation that he has to sign. What good would it be to write the bills with Dem or GOP items in it if you know the POTUS is going to veto it anyway? Politicians would just give up and it would give the Pres a lot more autocratic power.
    This has been traditionally why the line item veto has been so controversial - especially when it comes to governors. It simply provides the executive with too much power.

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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Just because you doubt Congress will pass such a bill does not mean we need to give the federal government more power. The federal government already assumes they have more power beyond what the US Constitution grants them so why codify it with an amendment? As a libertarian we need less government, eh?
    I think you would be surprised how many in Congress would support OSTA. It will take hard work but, that is the nature of such things.
    Less power would be better, no doubt. How could such a bill be passed? Hmmm.. maybe it could be a rider on another bill that everyone likes. Now, there's an ironic idea.
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yep, I'm for it. As for concern about abuses of a line-item-veto....Bwahahahaha! Is that anything like abuses of legislation by congress? Because I'm pretty sure that a line-item veto, whether it's fairly applied or partisianly applied will get rid of at least half the abuse in any given year. GOP abuses cut during a Democrat Prez's term, Democrat abuses cut during a GOP Prez's term would be the worst case scenario. And right now, worst case is STILL better than what we've got, which is no budget, record deficit, and complete congressional paralysis.
    I cannot follow your method of thinking but, maybe some people rather treat the symptoms rather than cure the disease even if such treatment is killing you slowly.
    Ok, Congress abuses their power so to help we are going to give the President more power so he/she can bring about more abuses? I am confused.

    The federal government already assumes more power than granted in the US Constitution and things get worse and worse each 4 years.
    So, why do we want to give them power and have it backed by the Constitution? I say, NO!
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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...who is going to pass it? The same Congress that likes to play dirty politics by passing bills with unrelated subjects?
    It would not be an easy sell, that's for sure, but... the Civil Rights Act was passed by predominantly white guys. Women's suffrage was passed by men. So, it's not unheard of that a body of people would vote to dilute their own power if they can be convinced the cause is just.

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    Re: Should the President have "line-item veto" power?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It would not be an easy sell, that's for sure, but... the Civil Rights Act was passed by predominantly white guys. Women's suffrage was passed by men. So, it's not unheard of that a body of people would vote to dilute their own power if they can be convinced the cause is just.
    Yeah, like that insider trading stuff we all heard about? Nah, not nowadays. Civil Rights and Womens Suffrage was easy because those white guys and men knew they were oppressing and discriminating, they were just waiting on someone to call them on it. This stuff? No way. Our gov't has gotten so powerful and aloof, it would never happen. I'm just wondering when something is going to happen to change the way things are going.
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