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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by swit View Post
    here, this should clear up any remaining issues requiring mandatory towing under any circumstance:

    '...
    U.s. District judge joan lefkow ruled nov. 16 that the ordinance, which requires police to impound the car of any driver without a valid driver's license or insurance, violates the 4th amendment's protection against unreasonable seizure of property because it does not allow police to consider whether towing the car is necessary to maintain public safety. "as a consequence, the seizure ordinance is unconstitutional," she wrote.
    ...'

    it appears that a federal district judge would disagree with you.
    hahahahahahaha did you not read your own link

    here ill bold the above for you

    thats EXACTLY what ive been saying, i want it left up to the cop LMAO and thats what that judge wants too, she agrees WITH me 100%

    again why do you lie and make stuff up I have said repeatedly I want it left up to the cop and whatever the cop does Im fine with, the only time I siad id like to see it mandatory is if there are multiple offenses

    you ignored the other lies and tried to cherry pick one and are still wrong LMAO

    thanks for again lying and making yourself look foolish

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    I was waiting for this...
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    hahahahahahaha did you not read your own link
    Yup I sure did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    here ill bold the above for you
    Thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thats EXACTLY what ive been saying, i want it left up to the cop LMAO and thats what that judge wants too, she agrees WITH me 100%
    Except you made the argument for people with prior violations to have mandatory towing applied... According to the federal ruling this would violate due process protections the actual meat and potatoes of what we are arguing here. More to the point it affirms that the determination by the police officer only takes public safety into account and unless said police officer can reasonable disallow an otherwise legal person (passenger) from driving the vehicle, based solely on public safety issues, then it would also be a violation of due process. Basically unless the Police officer can look at the passenger and "this person is not safe to drive this vehicle" it would violate the driver's right to due process. My exact argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again why do you lie and make stuff up I have said repeatedly I want it left up to the cop and whatever the cop does Im fine with, the only time I siad id like to see it mandatory is if there are multiple offenses
    And where did I make stuff up? Prior offenses or not this ruling still applies. Mandatory impounding of a vehicle even with prior offenses would violate due process apparently by this judges decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you ignored the other lies and tried to cherry pick one and are still wrong LMAO
    No I didn't, I just showed you where your incessant assertions that mandatory towing does not infringe upon due process is completely wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thanks for again lying and making yourself look foolish

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    Please show me where I lied.... you keep making this accusation and I don't see where you come up with it.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I was waiting for this...

    Yup I sure did.

    Thank you

    Except you made the argument for people with prior violations to have mandatory towing applied... According to the federal ruling this would violate due process protections the actual meat and potatoes of what we are arguing here. More to the point it affirms that the determination by the police officer only takes public safety into account and unless said police officer can reasonable disallow an otherwise legal person (passenger) from driving the vehicle, based solely on public safety issues, then it would also be a violation of due process. Basically unless the Police officer can look at the passenger and "this person is not safe to drive this vehicle" it would violate the driver's right to due process. My exact argument.

    And where did I make stuff up? Prior offenses or not this ruling still applies. Mandatory impounding of a vehicle even with prior offenses would violate due process apparently by this judges decision.

    No I didn't, I just showed you where your incessant assertions that mandatory towing does not infringe upon due process is completely wrong

    Please show me where I lied.... you keep making this accusation and I don't see where you come up with it.
    seriously, are you just trolling at this point how do you ignore everything said here and pick and choose

    you lied 3 times and did NOTHING to change that fact except try to play word games, pick and choose PARTS of sentences and make up more lies LMAO

    the 3 lies i pointed out in post 188 still stand you lied all 3 times and that is 100% fact lol
    "never argued mandatory towing across the board one single time that is lie
    and it is not a violation of due process that is another lie
    I dont think its punishment either nor did i ever directly say so I was quoting what another person said and told them in the conversation if they think it is punishment its not collective its singular LMAO not that I myself think it is punishment this is yet another lie by you"


    now again, like i asked you before, if youd like to go back and revise your statements, man up and admit you are very knee jerk, misspoke and were wrong have at it otherwise no matter how much you try to make up and save face I wont let you LOL

    you keep trying to "ADD"(lie) and then say but but but, sorry it doesnt work because all these post stay right here lol

    Ill keep waiting for some truth or something reality based though because this is some of the funniest **** Ive seen in a while!

    hopefully you dont run out of quarters!or make yourself dizzy with all the spinning you are trying and failing at
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Ok, I will play your silly game...
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    seriously, are you just trolling at this point how do you ignore everything said here and pick and choose
    I would tend to bet that dollars to doughnuts people reading this thread would ascribe the term trolling to your posts more so than mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you lied 3 times and did NOTHING to change that fact except try to play word games, pick and choose PARTS of sentences and make up more lies LMAO
    I went back and double checked just in case you were right... I must admit defeat in this one. in post #128 I did in fact do this.
    in post #127 You wrote:
    "5.) actually you did you said its punitive BEFORE due process and neither are true post 110 and 122 just to name 2"
    My response in post #128 was:
    "5.) actually you did you said its punitive BEFORE due process and neither are true"
    I left off "post 110 and 122 just to name 2"
    that was the one and only time I didn't quote an entire sentence.
    Of course I don't see how that somehow misconstrues the point you were making to lead you to an accusation of dishonesty or cherry-picking. Heck, you didn't even feel it necessary to bring it up in your rebuttal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    the 3 lies i pointed out in post 188 still stand you lied all 3 times and that is 100% fact lol
    OK lets analyze these.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    "never argued mandatory towing across the board one single time that is lie

    Only thing I ever pointed out was that you agreed with someone's statement (the OP) making the case for ("across the board" as you put it) mandatory towing.... I even directly quoted it, without omission, so how can that be considered a lie? So unless you can find a post... ANY post of mine where I made such an accusation, I am all ears.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    and it is not a violation of due process that is another lie
    What are you even trying to say here?
    That mandatory towing is not a violation of due process and that I am lying that it is. Ummm ok well a federal judge seems to agree with my position.
    Or
    that you never made the claim that mandatory towing is not a violation of due process?
    I really don't think you want to go down this road (for a hint go back and read your posts #106, #111, #117 (implied), #119(implied), #121 (Specifically), #123, #125, and #132) all show that you have in fact said that mandatory towing does not infringe upon due process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I dont think its punishment either nor did i ever directly say so I was quoting what another person said and told them in the conversation if they think it is punishment its not collective its singular LMAO not that I myself think it is punishment this is yet another lie by you"
    Umm you really should go back and read what you wrote. Post #147 (even MaggieD's response (post #167) in opposition to my position clearly shows that even she thinks that you defined it as punishment). This clearly shows your only objection was the use of the terms singular versus collective (i.e. that it is only punishing the driver and not the passengers), there was no language in that particular post suggesting that it was not punishment imposed upon the driver. And post #157 backs up this idea of seizure being punishment only in this case the hypothetical was that it was a house. Once again the only thing you were disputing was the singular vs. collective nature of the punishment with no language disputing that it even was punishment in the first place.
    At least if the assertion was these situations are not punishment there was no language in them suggesting otherwise. If this is the case you should learn to be more clear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    now again, like i asked you before, if youd like to go back and revise your statements, man up and admit you are very knee jerk, misspoke and were wrong have at it otherwise no matter how much you try to make up and save face I wont let you LOL
    I never made anything up. There is no need for me to revise any statement I have made.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you keep trying to "ADD"(lie) and then say but but but, sorry it doesnt work because all these post stay right here lol
    Your are right... they do I suggest you go back and start reading the stuff you wrote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Ill keep waiting for some truth or something reality based though because this is some of the funniest **** Ive seen in a while!

    hopefully you dont run out of quarters!or make yourself dizzy with all the spinning you are trying and failing at
    Ok, well perhaps you are correct. Any chance I can get a second opinion here? Does anyone else think I am trolling, lying, being dishonest, spinning, etc... ? Or is this just a baseless claim that Ob-J is making?

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Ok, I will play your silly game...

    I would tend to bet that dollars to doughnuts people reading this thread would ascribe the term trolling to your posts more so than mine.

    I went back and double checked just in case you were right... I must admit defeat in this one. in post #128 I did in fact do this.
    in post #127 You wrote:
    "5.) actually you did you said its punitive BEFORE due process and neither are true post 110 and 122 just to name 2"
    My response in post #128 was:
    "5.) actually you did you said its punitive BEFORE due process and neither are true"
    I left off "post 110 and 122 just to name 2"
    that was the one and only time I didn't quote an entire sentence.
    Of course I don't see how that somehow misconstrues the point you were making to lead you to an accusation of dishonesty or cherry-picking. Heck, you didn't even feel it necessary to bring it up in your rebuttal.

    OK lets analyze these.

    Only thing I ever pointed out was that you agreed with someone's statement (the OP) making the case for ("across the board" as you put it) mandatory towing.... I even directly quoted it, without omission, so how can that be considered a lie? So unless you can find a post... ANY post of mine where I made such an accusation, I am all ears.

    What are you even trying to say here?
    That mandatory towing is not a violation of due process and that I am lying that it is. Ummm ok well a federal judge seems to agree with my position.
    Or
    that you never made the claim that mandatory towing is not a violation of due process?
    I really don't think you want to go down this road (for a hint go back and read your posts #106, #111, #117 (implied), #119(implied), #121 (Specifically), #123, #125, and #132) all show that you have in fact said that mandatory towing does not infringe upon due process.

    Umm you really should go back and read what you wrote. Post #147 (even MaggieD's response (post #167) in opposition to my position clearly shows that even she thinks that you defined it as punishment). This clearly shows your only objection was the use of the terms singular versus collective (i.e. that it is only punishing the driver and not the passengers), there was no language in that particular post suggesting that it was not punishment imposed upon the driver. And post #157 backs up this idea of seizure being punishment only in this case the hypothetical was that it was a house. Once again the only thing you were disputing was the singular vs. collective nature of the punishment with no language disputing that it even was punishment in the first place.
    At least if the assertion was these situations are not punishment there was no language in them suggesting otherwise. If this is the case you should learn to be more clear.

    I never made anything up. There is no need for me to revise any statement I have made.

    Your are right... they do I suggest you go back and start reading the stuff you wrote.

    Ok, well perhaps you are correct. Any chance I can get a second opinion here? Does anyone else think I am trolling, lying, being dishonest, spinning, etc... ? Or is this just a baseless claim that Ob-J is making?
    and after all this big post the fact remains you lied 3 times or misunderstood or misspoke 3 times and was trying to deny it

    I dont know how YOU define trolling but trolling will never be making a post, and then spending time correcting a poster over and over because they falsely interpreted it and/or make up lies about it and/or argue things never said by my me while laughing at how entertaining their confusion is. LOL Sorry
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    and after all this big post the fact remains you lied 3 times or misunderstood or misspoke 3 times and was trying to deny it

    I dont know how YOU define trolling but trolling will never be making a post, and then spending time correcting a poster over and over because they falsely interpreted it and/or make up lies about it and/or argue things never said by my me while laughing at how entertaining their confusion is. LOL Sorry
    I just addressed your accusations of dishonesty in my last post (#194). Care to rebut?

    Clarification: please show the posts where I make these lies, misunderstandings or where I misspoke. You made the accusation I would like to know what you base it off of.
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I just addressed your accusations of dishonesty in my last post (#194). Care to rebut?
    actually what you did is make up excuses on why you think it was ok to wrongly GUESS at what I said and ASSUME you knew what I meant and then argue stuff nobody said because you were looking at it from different wrong angles. LMAO

    the fact remains you said I was for mandatory towing, not true and then you said my stance of leaving it up to the cop violates due process, not true, then you said I view it as punishment, not true

    these are the facts, its not a accusation in the least LOL if you want to now back pedal and say YOU misunderstood or were looking at it from a different angle etc etc etc thats fine by me but the fact remains you made up 3 lies.

    I wont concede to the facts, man up and admit you misspoke or ill just keep repeating this facts, either way the facts wont change tomorrow they will still remain

    you need to go back and read those posts to I just looked it was you crying about MANDATORY towing which I dont want, I want it up to the cop and in doing so THAT PROCESS does not violate due process LMAO then you continue to say yes it does and refer to MANDATORY towing something I never said I wanted its actually quite funny watching you spin facts
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    For the really confused and people that want to make stuff up, THIS is and has ALWAYS been my stance.


    Towing a car should be up to the cop and I support whatever he chooses to do.

    I do not view leaving it up to the cop as violating due process.

    If the driver would have multiple offenses for driving without a license I would support mandatory towing. especially DUIs, vehicular homicide, hit and runs, wreckless drving

    I do not view towing as a form of punishment and it certainly isnt collective punishment.

    this is where I have always stood, probably explains why I voted OTHER in the poll LMAO

    if you would like to discuss these some of these opinions and facts and debate them please let me know.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    actually what you did is make up excuses on why you think it was ok to wrongly GUESS at what I said and ASSUME you knew what I meant and then argue stuff nobody said because you were looking at it from different wrong angles. LMAO

    the fact remains you said I was for mandatory towing, not true and then you said my stance of leaving it up to the cop violates due process, not true, then you said I view it as punishment, not true

    these are the facts, its not a accusation in the least LOL if you want to now back pedal and say YOU misunderstood or were looking at it from a different angle etc etc etc thats fine by me but the fact remains you made up 3 lies.

    I wont concede to the facts, man up and admit you misspoke or ill just keep repeating this facts, either way the facts wont change tomorrow they will still remain

    you need to go back and read those posts to I just looked it was you crying about MANDATORY towing which I dont want, I want it up to the cop and in doing so THAT PROCESS does not violate due process LMAO then you continue to say yes it does and refer to MANDATORY towing something I never said I wanted its actually quite funny watching you spin facts
    I'll just take this entire post as an admission that you cannot back up your claim that I was ever being dishonest and or lying.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I'll just take this entire post as an admission that you cannot back up your claim that I was ever being dishonest and or lying.
    thats a good move, take it that way and make up ANOTHER lie, it will allow you to bail out

    but its already been backed up repeatedly, it is a fact you lied 3 times, this fact will not change whether you admit it or not, facts are funny like that, they dont need your approval LMAO

    Sorry I didnt let you save face and you just couldnt man up and admit you kneejerked and misspoke **** happens what can you LOL

    thanks for the entertainment
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