View Poll Results: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offense?

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  • Yes,but only if they can not find licensed driver to drive the vehicle home.

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  • Yes,regardless if they can find a licensed driver to drive the vehicle home.

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  • They should never tow a unlicensed driver's vehicle.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    You obviously either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote.... it says absolutely nothing about you are ranting about.... here it is in summation:
    1. Children are sometimes dishonest.
    2. The state is under no obligation to report the child's DL status to the parent upon suspension.
    2. The only way to absolutely ensure that your child's DL is valid is via DMV abstract.
    3. Other family members should not be denied their means of transportation to and from work, means of grocery retrieval, etc... because of the irresponsible actions of a dishonest kid.

    I seriously have no idea how you read any of what you are ranting about in what I wrote.

    Where did I say "junior" shouldn't be caught?
    Where did I say parents didn't need to know?
    Yes your insurance rates would go up but I guarantee there is some time interval between "junior's" suspension and the rate hike thus there would be some time interval where a parent might not know.
    A lot of families, at least here in Chicago, have "family" vehicles because that is all they can afford and the additional cost of freeing the vehicle from impound could potentially impact housing and/or food for the rest of the family.
    No where did I suggest that they be given a break... only that the other family members should not be impacted as a result of their immaturity.

    In essence the punishment for driving without a license should not include arbitrarily punishing other members of the same family who do in fact use the vehicle in a legal and responsible manner... i.e. mandatory seizure of said vehicle

    I seriously am dumbfounded as how you could have possibly read any of that stuff you were going on about in what I posted.
    You are asking too much of an officer of the law.

    It is not for him to investigate every persons circumstances. It is his job to protect other peoples right to drive on roads with licensed drivers and if an unlicensed driver is found, the car is impounded.

    Why are you arguing that poor people should have special rights that others don't.

    If a family cannot afford to maintain a vehicle, and that is everything that goes with it, they should not have it.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    For example, California Constitution Article 1 Section 7(a) says, a personal may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law…
    So, an officer on the side of the road is due process of the law?
    That does not supercede public safety.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    With knowledge or not the parent is responsible for the actions of a 16 year old.
    No, in most states a parent must be found negligent. That could extend, of course, to letting your 16-year-old unlicensed son drive your car, though. If he had a bad accident, the other side would own their home.
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In the US, the vehicle is insured, not the driver. Though rates are generally calculated with the driver's driving record in mind. Generally, of course, there are exceptions to the general rule.

    Going OT: Personally, I'd like to change the way we do it. I'd prefer that drivers buy their own liability insurance that would cover them regardless any vehicle they drive (as long as it is the same vehicle class that they are licensed for). Then, if the owner of the vehicle wants insurance on the vehicle, that's up to them to purchase separately.
    I agree. If a man has 2 or say 100 cars, he can only drive one a at a time anyway so why should he have to insure all of them just to sit there.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i understand it fine I want to know how YOU get to decide one is due and another isnt LOL

    you have no licenses, it your car, it gets towed, the due process comes when you go to trail, NOTHING is lost

    its just like a gun license, you dont have one, bye bye gun
    no restaurant license? cant serve food and restaurant is shut done

    etc etc etc

    so what do YOU suggest should happen. I pull one guy over, he has no license and I verify in the system, now what?
    You can say nothing is lost but with a $250.00 towing fee and $30.00 (low) a day for storage, it isn't hard to see that a lot of people will never be able to get thier car out of the pound.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Fair enough, I will acquiesce that I do not know the police officer's motivation, can you give me an example of some non-punitive motivation for this situation because I cannot think of any.
    Keep in mind the context:
    1. car is legally operable
    2. there is a legal driver able and willing to relocate the vehicle right there on the spot. (passenger)
    3. The police officer refuses to allow the passenger to take possession of the car which would both A. Extend the period of time it take to vacate the vehicle from the roadway (waiting for the tow to arrive). and B. Prevent the passenger from a completely legal activity (borrowing and driving a car).
    If the owner does not have a valid drivers license, the car is not insured. Is it OK for a licensed driver to drive an uninsured car on the street? In most if not all states it is not.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Thank you for proving me right.

    "since that person broke the law" shows you presume guilt as opposed to innocence. At the time of arrest they are only a suspect. It is up to the courts to determine guilt or innocence.

    your words: "towing away a car that belongs to the person that broke the law is SINGULAR punishment"
    Since you actually define the towing of the vehicle as a punishment against the driver. You are punishing them before they have a chance to defend themselves in court and that is the very definition of a violation of due process.

    In your reality it is apparent that people are guilty until proven innocent.
    Wow fantasy is fun isnt it? if they have no licenses VERIFIED BY THE COMPUTER SYSTEM they are guilty and in some freak low percentage case they are not guilty they get thier car back LMAO


    this is called reality, do you not arrest a person and take away their gun that looks like they are robbing a bank until AFTER the trail????? of course not or in this case do you not feel arresting them and taking their gun is SINGULAR PUNISHMENT because that wouldnt match your broken wrong logic??? Im sure youll have some excuse why THAT case is "DIFFERENT" LOL

    dont play stupid semantics and fantasy word games because it doesnt fool anybody who is logical and lives in reality LMAO

    Towing their car is COMMON SENSE if the officer feel s its needed, nice try but you logic fails big time, with each post you prove how broken your logic is more and more and its hilarious. In reality not MINE, just reality, common sense is practiced lol

    tell me that cool part about proving YOU right again?????
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You can say nothing is lost but with a $250.00 towing fee and $30.00 (low) a day for storage, it isn't hard to see that a lot of people will never be able to get thier car out of the pound.
    really?
    THEN DON'T BREAK THE LAW! lMAO

    if you didn't break the law and by some low percentage they are innocent then those fees are not be your responsibility.
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This eternal nitpicking is getting beyond silly. You are stopped while driving a car, and have no licence to do so. You have been caught in the act. It's hard to imagine a scenario where anyone could be more evidently guilty. QED.
    This isn't nitpicking, until the driver has his day in court and is found guilty, the presumption is that he is innocent and must be afforded his right to contest the charges.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The police are empowered to give fixed penalties for motoring offences such as this.
    This is not true. The police are allowed to arrest or cite people for suspected criminal activity. Those citations / charges come with penalties and the court system is empowered to determine what penalty is appropriate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    One such "penalty" is having your car towed to prevent further offences from being committed.
    And since this penalty is being applied before the suspect has been afforded his opportunity to contest the charges I do not understand how you can argue that it wouldn't be a clear violation of due process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Apart from the poor likelihood that a licensed passenger is also insured to drive your car, allowing them to do so open up the possibility that you will switch places with them once the cops have left the scene.
    I don't know about where you live but driving without a license in Illinois will always get you a ride in the back of the squad car straight to the police station, i.e. arrested and booked. No one is arguing for their release, only that the state does not apply any punitive action until guilt or innocence can be determined. Also, I would argue the whole "poor likelihood that a licensed passenger is also insured to drive your car" if false but ultimately it doesn't matter as of course if there were no other people able to legally operate the vehicle then the vehicle should be towed. No one was ever arguing for that the vehicle should be placed into the hands of someone not legally able to operate the car.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Towing ensures that the car and driver are both legal before they are reunited.
    It most certainly does not. Driver gets arrested for driving on a without a lisence. Car gets towed. The driver along with a different licensed driver retrieve the car the next day from impound. Driver and car are reunited, driver still has the potential of being illegal to drive.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You need to have a valid license to have insurance which means that if the friver is unlicensed, the car is uninsured even though the policy is paid.
    This is also untrue. An owner of a vehicle does not need to have a license in order to ensure it. He is just not allowed to legally drive it. Other people however are. Just think of any situation where a person who is not legal to drive, owns a vehicle so the can employ people to use the vehicle on their behalf for their benefit. The disabled and elderly are but two categories of people who find themselves in these situations often.

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