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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Cops do not give people rides without handcuffs, I was told this before by a cop after a wreck.
    that cop lied to you and is a dick IMO because I have been given a ride by a cop
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    guess what it makes PERFECT sense because this is already how the law works. If I embezzle money and I have a house in only MY name and they take it from me thats exactly what happens they take MY house because I did the crime they dont care who stays there lol
    That is a different case. You are talking about if the owner do not fulfill his obligations to the seller/bank. Of course then he can't keep the house, because if we let people do, then we would crush the market and massively increase prices

    In my case, the criminal was caught doing a random crime, and as punishment his house is seized. This is a collective punishment for his whole family, not just the criminal.

    why am I a suspect?!?!?!? in this case and not the others? maybe everyone in the car KNEW he was driving it illegally? see your inconsistency is showing itself mighty fast.
    Because they have to interview you to check if you are not involved. So you are a suspect.

    In the car, only the driver is illegal. No one else will get formal punishments.

    your problem is YOU because I dont want a system that cost more LOL thats something you simp[ly made up or are assuming and I dont want third parties punished either nor do I feel they are being punished in this case because they are grown adults not whiny babies.
    Your system definitely cost more. Since, every time you stop a driver without license, you will have to find a towing company to move the car away. To move the car away costs money and it costs money for the police as well.

    there you go with the "walking home" drama again

    they are not punished, they dont lose anything LIFE is LIFE
    Again, just because they do not formally get punished do not mean they do not get punished. See my example above.

    what if dad is the only one that brings home money in the family, they lock him up for rape and now the wife and kids lose the house? guess we should just not punish dad for rape because according to you OTHERS will be punished, please stop this is an adult world we live in.
    Again, you can not completely prevent collective punishment. Sometimes it is necessary. In that case, I would let the government help the family. What i want to do is to limit collective punishment, which you don't seem to care about.

    You if you feel those passengers are being punished you know whos fault it is? THE ILLEGAL DRIVER not the cop LMAO
    I didn't say it was anyones else fault. I said it is not fair that third party individuals get punished for other individual actions.

    I do not like collective punishment. Hence, I will try to limit collective punishment and seizing the car is completely unnecessary, costs more and punishes third parties for other individual actions.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    That is a different case. You are talking about if the owner do not fulfill his obligations to the seller/bank. Of course then he can't keep the house, because if we let people do, then we would crush the market and massively increase prices
    ?????????? do you just make this stuff up? who in the hell said its about his obligations to the bank LMAO I said he committed a monetary crime so they came after his house, so NO its not different, its only different because you WANT it to be because you know it makes your silly punishing extra people logic look silly

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    In my case, the criminal was caught doing a random crime, and as punishment his house is seized. This is a collective punishment for his whole family, not just the criminal.
    nope its just punishment to the OWNER of the house, the rest are collateral damage and thats the CRIMINALS fault, not the cop or government or who ever, this is called reality and happens every day, would I want to help them to, yep but they wouldnt get to keep the house


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Because they have to interview you to check if you are not involved. So you are a suspect.

    In the car, only the driver is illegal. No one else will get formal punishments.
    wrong maybe the people on the car all knew he was driving illegal, maybe they forced him some how, and they all need interviewed also or at least one who is trying to drive the car.sorry you weak logic ship is sinking fast!!!!!

    see isnt it fun to play what if and MAKE UP victims


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Your system definitely cost more. Since, every time you stop a driver without license, you will have to find a towing company to move the car away. To move the car away costs money and it costs money for the police as well. .
    WRONG again its not "my system" it is the current system in place nor have I ever stated tow every car LOL again do you just make this stuff up on the fly or do you actually think about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Again, just because they do not formally get punished do not mean they do not get punished. See my example above.


    Again, you can not completely prevent collective punishment. Sometimes it is necessary. In that case, I would let the government help the family. What i want to do is to limit collective punishment, which you don't seem to care about.
    ooooh so in your pretend system its ok if the government spends tons of money and it cost more in YOUR cases but not in the real system that is in place now? LOL wow dude the hypocrisy here is astounding, dont spend money on towing but spend money on keeping a whole family a float, got it

    also I care tons about collective punishment I just dont buy you weak non-adult unreality based definition of collective punishment because it could cover EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING people cry about

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I didn't say it was anyone else fault. I said it is not fair that third party individuals get punished for other individual actions.
    they are not being punished Ive already proved this unless they are whiny children


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I do not like collective punishment. Hence, I will try to limit collective punishment and seizing the car is completely unnecessary, costs more and punishes third parties for other individual actions.
    you are 100% wrong it may be VERY necessary to make sure that person doesnt break the law again and who endanger people, but I guess we cant make up stories about how this guy might go home drive again that night and kill some one, we can only make up stories about how people may have to walk home and miss an important meeting LOL

    Please start dealing in adult reality and not fantasy land, a cops job is hard enough and criminals get away with enough already, im all for avoiding collective punishment but it has to be REAL not whiny skinned knee look at me look at me a victim BS.

    im done beating up all your little scenarios simply explain to me how the passengers are punished in reality, something that actually MATTERS that doesnt happen all the time, you havent done this once yet
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    ?????????? do you just make this stuff up? who in the hell said its about his obligations to the bank LMAO I said he committed a monetary crime so they came after his house, so NO its not different, its only different because you WANT it to be because you know it makes your silly punishing extra people logic look silly
    First, please calm down. This is just ridiculous. If you do a monetary crime, you are not forced to sell your house. You are forced to pay, and if you don't have enough money then you will have to sell your house.

    This might be bad for the rest of the family, but as I said I want to limit third party damage. Not eliminate it.

    nope its just punishment to the OWNER of the house, the rest are collateral damage and thats the CRIMINALS fault, not the cop or government or who ever, this is called reality and happens every day, would I want to help them to, yep but they wouldnt get to keep the house
    Don't come with this reality bull****. I don't like your "screw them" attitude. I want to create a fair system.

    Yes it is the criminals fault, hence you should not punish any one else apart from the criminal. Sometimes this is impossible, but we should try to avoid it when possible.

    wrong maybe the people on the car all knew he was driving illegal, maybe they forced him some how, and they all need interviewed also or at least one who is trying to drive the car.sorry you weak logic ship is sinking fast!!!!!

    see isnt it fun to play what if and MAKE UP victims
    Except that I talk about likely scenarios. Many people are likely to be stuck if you tow the car away. Your scenario is a 1 in a 10000 scenario.

    WRONG again its not "my system" it is the current system in place nor have I ever stated tow every car LOL again do you just make this stuff up on the fly or do you actually think about it?
    You said that every single time someone get caught without a lisence then the car should be towed away. If that is a problem for the passenger, then screw them.

    ooooh so in your pretend system its ok if the government spends tons of money and it cost more in YOUR cases but not in the real system that is in place now? LOL wow dude the hypocrisy here is astounding, dont spend money on towing but spend money on keeping a whole family a float, got it
    Yeah, guess what. I want the government to spend money when it is necessary (helping families in finacial needs) and not when it is unnecessary (towing a car away that can be driven by someone else)

    you are 100% wrong it may be VERY necessary to make sure that person doesnt break the law again and who endanger people, but I guess we cant make up stories about how this guy might go home drive again that night and kill some one, we can only make up stories about how people may have to walk home and miss an important meeting LOL
    Except it won't make any difference. The person can drive again, but under "my system" then he would end up in prison if he was caught again. Also, even if the car gets towed away, then he can go and get the car again and drive again illegally. There is no difference.

    Please start dealing in adult reality and not fantasy land, a cops job is hard enough and criminals get away with enough already, im all for avoiding collective punishment but it has to be REAL not whiny skinned knee look at me look at me a victim BS.

    im done beating up all your little scenarios simply explain to me how the passengers are punished in reality, something that actually MATTERS that doesnt happen all the time, you havent done this once yet
    My system will work better. I am in reality, but you seemed to obsessed with your deal with it, that's reality bull****. For me it seems like you want collective punishment, because you believe the passengers should be punished as well.

    If you didn't then explain all the name calling.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    First, please calm down. This is just ridiculous. If you do a monetary crime, you are not forced to sell your house. You are forced to pay, and if you don't have enough money then you will have to sell your house.

    This might be bad for the rest of the family, but as I said I want to limit third party damage. Not eliminate it. .
    WRONG!!!!!! if you do a montary crime they very much can come after you property!!! lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Don't come with this reality bull****. I don't like your "screw them" attitude. I want to create a fair system.
    reality isnt BS its REAL, YOU just dont like it.
    I have ZERO screw you attitude I just deal in reality and the system IS fair, you want it to be sunshine and rainbows and thats not reality lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Yes it is the criminals fault, hence you should not punish any one else apart from the criminal. Sometimes this is impossible, but we should try to avoid it when possible.
    I agree WHEN possible and if its REALITY and COMMON SENSE based not furry rainbow based


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Except that I talk about likely scenarios. Many people are likely to be stuck if you tow the car away. Your scenario is a 1 in a 10000 scenario
    LMAO why do you make stuff up my scenarios are just as likely in REALITY you just dont like them because they shoot holes in your logic

    are you seriously saying that the passengers are LIKELY to not have a phone and or service, the cop will be to busy to drive them anywhere or there wont be cab service and they will need to be somewhere very important that isnt already impacted because they wont be leaving fast anyway, riiiiiiiiiiiiight lol

    oh and I forget they will be made to walk

    again I deal in REALITY lol


    [QUOTE=Camlon;1060071962You said that every single time someone get caught without a lisence then the car should be towed away. If that is a problem for the passenger, then screw them. [/QUOTE]
    100% false and a lie, wow now you are REALLY desperate


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Yeah, guess what. I want the government to spend money when it is necessary (helping families in finacial needs) and not when it is unnecessary (towing a car away that can be driven by someone else)
    translation government is only to be spent on what YOU approve of nobody else and if you want to attack another system for costing more money its ok even if your system will cost 10x more money

    wow what a joke lol



    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Except it won't make any difference. The person can drive again, but under "my system" then he would end up in prison if he was caught again. Also, even if the car gets towed away, then he can go and get the car again and drive again illegally. There is no difference.
    wow you dont live in reality do you? I dont think ive ran into somebody so dishonest. he cant drive THAT car again if its impounded or if he is going to jail LOL

    theres a HUGE difference if he gets out of jail in couple hours and his car is waiting for him or if its impounded


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    My system will work better. I am in reality, but you seemed to obsessed with your deal with it, that's reality bull****. For me it seems like you want collective punishment, because you believe the passengers should be punished as well.

    If you didn't then explain all the name calling.
    name calling who??????? not you the cry baby passengers that are playing the victim card
    reality is THE PASSENGERS ARE NOT PUNISHED

    i have asked you many times now how they are punished in reality and you haven't giving me anything

    not allowing them to drive a car that is not theirs and was just used in a crime is not punishment to any logical reality based person, sorry
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    You know what, I am done with you. I have given you plenty of argumentation. You seem to not be able to respond in a calm matter and you flame everyone who do not share the screw everyone attitude. I am bored with your, that is reality statements. Do you get to define reality? I am bored with your screw everyone attitude. I actually care about people, and that does not make me sunshine and rainbows. It means I have a heart, which you don't. You don't seem to be able to thing rationally either, as you have a hard time understanding that the system you advocate would increase costs as it costs money to get a towing company, punish third parties and not prevent car deaths because people can take back their seized car and drive again without a lisence.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You know what, I am done with you. I have given you plenty of argumentation. You seem to not be able to respond in a calm matter. I am bored with your, that is reality statements. Do you get to define reality? I am bored with your screw everyone attitude. I actually care about people, and that does not make me sunshine and rainbows. It means I have a heart, which you don't. You don't seem to be able to thing rationally either, as you have a hard time understanding that the system you advocate would increase costs as it costs money to get a towing company, punish third parties and not prevent car deaths because people can take back their seized car and drive again without a lisence.
    be done all you want, be bored all you want, its not my fault you want to ignore reality and can't show me the reality of how they are punished LOL

    its fine by me but feel free to keep making things up, while not being able to back it up ONE SINGLE BIT lol im starting to think you are young

    i care about people to and have a huge heart i just wont treat them like kids they are adults

    let me know when you can actually answer my question lol
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    be done all you want, be bored all you want, its not my fault you want to ignore reality and can't show me the reality of how they are punished LOL

    its fine by me but feel free to keep making things up, while not being able to back it up ONE SINGLE BIT lol im starting to think you are young

    i care about people to and have a huge heart i just wont treat them like kids they are adults

    let me know when you can actually answer my question lol
    I have responded to your questions many times. And stop the hyperbole. Making sure that other people are not affected by a punishment, is not treating them like kids, it is a way to make a fair society.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I have responded to your questions many times. And stop the hyperbole. Making sure that other people are not affected by a punishment, is not treating them like kids, it is a way to make a fair society.
    oh the irony, you have not answered ONCE and the hyperbole is claiming its "unfair" to not let a person drive a car that is NOT theirs and was just used in a crime LMAO

    now answer the question with logic and reality based support or move on.

    I will ask you again, tell me why its "unfair" <sniff> <sniff> to not allow a person to drive a car that doesnt belong to them and was just used in a crime LMAO

    especially since they can call for a ride/friend/family, call for a taxi, walk to a bus stop, get a ride from the cop at least to a public place if not all the way of have the cop radio in a ride?

    sounds MORE than fair to me, but no you want a person to be given a car that is not theirs and was just used in a crime lol on the "very common chance" (sarcasm) that these people are going to be late for some life changing experience and you feel they will be punished. Sorry thats beyond fair thats illogical and unreality based. What happens if the person who drives the car that isnt theirs wrecks it? whos punished then? is that fair? what if it wasnt even the criminals car, what if it was his wifes or moms? So lets just give this car over to someone else without permission of the owner, thats brilliant.

    Sorry cops have enough to worry about without adults crying like 12yr olds and the law in this case is fair to reality based adults
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    I'm assuming the cop has called it in to make sure it's not a licensed driver who just forgot to bring his or her license. I voted to allow a licensed driver to drive the car home if available. No sense wasting resources on towing if it's not necessary.

    The unlicensed driver will have his or her day in court.

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