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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I will go ahead and reply in good faith, albeit with the caveat that it does not appear you are doing the same.

    POINT 1: As I stated before, it does IF it is intended as a form of punishment as the towing would would be the application of punishment before due process has taken place. If it is NOT intended to be a form of punishment then there can be no argument for not allowing a different licensed driver to remove the vehicle from the roadway (i.e. a passenger that is present at the time of arrest).


    The two situations are not analogous.


    See point 1


    I am not entirely sure you understand the concept of due process.
    i understand it fine I want to know how YOU get to decide one is due and another isnt LOL

    you have no licenses, it your car, it gets towed, the due process comes when you go to trail, NOTHING is lost

    its just like a gun license, you dont have one, bye bye gun
    no restaurant license? cant serve food and restaurant is shut done

    etc etc etc

    so what do YOU suggest should happen. I pull one guy over, he has no license and I verify in the system, now what?
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The way our judicial system works is that the punishment for breaking laws is progressive. We dont usually sentence people to the maximum punishment for the first offence. Whats wrong with giving a warning and insisting that the person go home immediately? This is America not China for ****s sake. Now a second offence though impound the vehicle since the driver shows that they are stupid enough to do it twice they will most likely do it again.
    While this type of situation does in fact happen from time to time (most likely in small communities), It's virtually impossible for a police officer to actually give someone a pass without incurring substantial risk to himself and his police department in terms of legal liability. If the police officer gives someone a pass and that person gets into wreck (on the way home) I would bet dollars to doughnuts the non-offending driver would sue the police department, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the offending driver that got the pass also sued the department for letting him go. It's lawsuit-prone legal environment we are in atm, everyone wants a lottery ticket.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The way our judicial system works is that the punishment for breaking laws is progressive. We dont usually sentence people to the maximum punishment for the first offence. Whats wrong with giving a warning and insisting that the person go home immediately? This is America not China for ****s sake. Now a second offence though impound the vehicle since the driver shows that they are stupid enough to do it twice they will most likely do it again.
    nothing WRONG with that, hell cops/judges let people go all the time but that doesnt mean its WRONG to acctually up hold the law and assure theres no further crimes/victiums

    I got a warning for speeding just the other day, that was NICE of the cop, doesnt mean ha HAS to do that, SHOULD do that or would be wrong if he gave me a ticket
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    While this type of situation does in fact happen from time to time (most likely in small communities), It's virtually impossible for a police officer to actually give someone a pass without incurring substantial risk to himself and his police department in terms of legal liability. If the police officer gives someone a pass and that person gets into wreck (on the way home) I would bet dollars to doughnuts the non-offending driver would sue the police department, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the offending driver that got the pass also sued the department for letting him go. It's lawsuit-prone legal environment we are in atm, everyone wants a lottery ticket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nothing WRONG with that, hell cops/judges let people go all the time but that doesnt mean its WRONG to acctually up hold the law and assure theres no further crimes/victiums

    I got a warning for speeding just the other day, that was NICE of the cop, doesnt mean ha HAS to do that, SHOULD do that or would be wrong if he gave me a ticket

    If the law makes it minatory to impound a vehicle the police will have no choice but to impound the vehicle, even in small communities. Zero tolerance laws are illogical because they ignore the obvious circumstances that come about. Like the schools zero tolerance of guns, a child is expelled for having a toy that couldnt be mistaken for anything other than a toy. BTW just because a situation exists does not mean we must perpetuate that situation. Hedging liberty wont keep us with liberty.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    If the law makes it minatory to impound a vehicle the police will have no choice but to impound the vehicle, even in small communities. Zero tolerance laws are illogical because they ignore the obvious circumstances that come about. Like the schools zero tolerance of guns, a child is expelled for having a toy that couldnt be mistaken for anything other than a toy. BTW just because a situation exists does not mean we must perpetuate that situation. Hedging liberty wont keep us with liberty.
    again its no mandatory to give a ticket for speeding but I wont condemn an cop for doing so, if a cop feels its necessary to toe your car I'm all for it because there is a very very simple solution, don't drive without a licenses LOL
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i understand it fine I want to know how YOU get to decide one is due and another isnt LOL

    you have no licenses, it your car, it gets towed, the due process comes when you go to trail, NOTHING is lost

    its just like a gun license, you dont have one, bye bye gun
    no restaurant license? cant serve food and restaurant is shut done

    etc etc etc

    so what do YOU suggest should happen. I pull one guy over, he has no license and I verify in the system, now what?
    ANSWER: Allow the driver reasonable opportunity to make alternative arrangements for the vehicles removal, if the driver either cannot or does not then the state should tow the vehicle from the roadway.

    in addition:
    Gun thing - while definitely a constitutional issue in many peoples eyes, Most (if not all) require a gun license in order to legally own/possess a gun and without such license the gun can be confiscated. To my knowledge the is no state in the union which requires a driver's license as qualification of automobile ownership.

    Restaurant thing - You're right you are not allowed to operate the restaurant without a license. The state, however, does not confiscate the property, they only disallow the establishment from operating as a restaurant. Essentially they can require the property NOT be allowed to be accessed by the public, however they cannot bar the owners of the establishment from using the establishment for other legal purposes.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    ANSWER: Allow the driver reasonable opportunity to make alternative arrangements for the vehicles removal, if the driver either cannot or does not then the state should tow the vehicle from the roadway.

    in addition:
    Gun thing - while definitely a constitutional issue in many peoples eyes, Most (if not all) require a gun license in order to legally own/possess a gun and without such license the gun can be confiscated. To my knowledge the is no state in the union which requires a driver's license as qualification of automobile ownership.

    Restaurant thing - You're right you are not allowed to operate the restaurant without a license. The state, however, does not confiscate the property, they only disallow the establishment from operating as a restaurant. Essentially they can require the property NOT be allowed to be accessed by the public, however they cannot bar the owners of the establishment from using the establishment for other legal purposes.
    i would NOT have a problem with that but WHY?
    why is it necessary?
    why should the cop have to go out of his way to help someone breaking the law?
    and once the car gets back on his property whats to stop him from breaking the law tomorrow?
    what if he doesnt have a license because of a dangerous medical condition or prior crimes the cop can see?

    also your response to restaurant and gun is just dishonesty LOL its semantics
    no they cant take the resturant away but they can shut it down and return it to you later by YOUR definition where the due process LMAO like I said YOUR definition CHANGES for YOUR convenience. Anyway im not going to get side tracked

    theres a simple solution to all of this, dont want your car towed DONT BREAK THE LAW AND DRIVE ILLEGALLY lmao

    like i said there no lose of due process here and towing the car is just, doesnt HAVE to be done but it certainly is just, dont like it, dont break the law and drive without a license
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again its no mandatory to give a ticket for speeding but I wont condemn an cop for doing so, if a cop feels its necessary to toe your car I'm all for it because there is a very very simple solution, don't drive without a licenses LOL
    I'm not saying it should never get towed, but it is sometimes possible to not be aware that your license is suspended (see my post #49, pg. 5, #3 at bottom of post).

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I'm not saying it should never get towed, but it is sometimes possible to not be aware that your license is suspended (see my post #49, pg. 5, #3 at bottom of post).
    nor did I say it should be towed EVERY TIME, just that i have no problem witt it being towed at all and it is just and due process is not impacted

    **** happens, its sometimes possible to not know you have a warrant out for your arrest too, should they let you just go home on your word?

    towing a car for no license is totally just
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again its no mandatory to give a ticket for speeding but I wont condemn an cop for doing so, if a cop feels its necessary to toe your car I'm all for it because there is a very very simple solution, don't drive without a licenses LOL
    No it is not mandatory to ticket people nor is it mandatory to tow a vehicle driven by an unlicensed driver. And I agree that no one should be breaking the law, but **** happens. I want those triage decisions that remain in the discretion of an officer to remain available for them. Like I said sometimes **** happens and towing a vehicle should not be the only option.

    But I find this discussion a little funny, I mean just how many unlicensed drivers are there out there? While googling to find the answer I came across this site Auto Insurance with No Drivers License - AUTO INSURANCE .COM lol

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