View Poll Results: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offense?

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  • They should never tow a unlicensed driver's vehicle.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    not true at all I havent read the whole thread only some of them but the simpleton reasons like what if a person forgot their license at home are stupid and meaningless since thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about people breaking the law and driving illegally without a license.

    But by all means feel free to keep WRONGLY guessing, it makes you look very objective.

    also "my acceptance" isnt whats in question here, its what the law/society should accept vs rights vs criminality.
    I think you need to go back and re-read the OP / Poll question.
    AND...
    Guilt / Innocence is determined only after due process has occurred, i.e. their day in court. If say, you were to argue that AFTER being found guilty in a court of law their car should be towed / impounded then I would have no cause to argue with you (although I would still disagree for numerous reasons)

    If law makers intended to to have Towing / impounding of ones vehicle part of the punishment of driving without a license they would have written it into the statute governing the offense. As it stands right now, the removal by the state of vehicles in the roadway can only be reasonably described as a public service of removing hazards and/or blockages to the public roadway. This being said the state's ONLY interest is that the hazard / blockage gets removed. Why does it matter who removes it? While it may feel punitive at times when your car gets towed it is not the intention. Point of fact: Cars get removed (towed) when parked in front of a fire hydrant not as a function of punishing undesirable behavior but as a function of ensuring that the fire hydrant be available should it be needed.

    AND.... Lets just say it WAS intended to be part of the punishment.... why would you apply the punishment BEFORE someone has a chance to argue their guilt or Innocence. It makes no sense

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I think you need to go back and re-read the OP / Poll question.
    AND...
    Guilt / Innocence is determined only after due process has occurred, i.e. their day in court. If say, you were to argue that AFTER being found guilty in a court of law their car should be towed / impounded then I would have no cause to argue with you (although I would still disagree for numerous reasons)

    If law makers intended to to have Towing / impounding of ones vehicle part of the punishment of driving without a license they would have written it into the statute governing the offense. As it stands right now, the removal by the state of vehicles in the roadway can only be reasonably described as a public service of removing hazards and/or blockages to the public roadway. This being said the state's ONLY interest is that the hazard / blockage gets removed. Why does it matter who removes it? While it may feel punitive at times when your car gets towed it is not the intention. Point of fact: Cars get removed (towed) when parked in front of a fire hydrant not as a function of punishing undesirable behavior but as a function of ensuring that the fire hydrant be available should it be needed.

    AND.... Lets just say it WAS intended to be part of the punishment.... why would you apply the punishment BEFORE someone has a chance to argue their guilt or Innocence. It makes no sense
    Are parking and speeding tickets unConstitutional?
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are parking and speeding tickets unConstitutional?
    Why would speeding / parking tickets be unconstitutional?

    At least here in Illinois, you (often) have the option of just acquiescing with the ticket and paying by mail, thus implicitly admitting guilt (I don't remember the last time I had to pay a fine in this manner but I do believe I remember language stating that paying the fine is both a plea of guilty and waiver of your right to trial), or you can go to court and argue the the ticket written was unjustified.
    If you mail in the payment, you admitted guilt... due process has occurred.
    If you go fight the ticket in court (good luck with that btw) either you are determined to be guilty or innocent and yet again due process has occurred.

    Not really sure what you were trying to get at here.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Towing charges and impoundment fees should be paid by every unlicensed driver. Illegals should be processed and sent to their country of origin if identified in any traffic incident or road block.
    I'm always tickled by conservatives who think that it's okay for the government to seize non-contraband property without just compensation even when there's no debt between the property owner and the government.
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Everything beyond this is moot. Read the whole thread before you start making blanket implications that there have been no valid reasons given, and creating the (most likely false) impression that you can be swayed in your opinion.
    LMAO who made a blanket implication that there have been no valid reasons given?

    thats right you guessed it, NOBODY lol
    that was another WRONG guess by YOU not by anything I stated?
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I think you need to go back and re-read the OP / Poll question.
    AND...
    Guilt / Innocence is determined only after due process has occurred, i.e. their day in court. If say, you were to argue that AFTER being found guilty in a court of law their car should be towed / impounded then I would have no cause to argue with you (although I would still disagree for numerous reasons)

    If law makers intended to to have Towing / impounding of ones vehicle part of the punishment of driving without a license they would have written it into the statute governing the offense. As it stands right now, the removal by the state of vehicles in the roadway can only be reasonably described as a public service of removing hazards and/or blockages to the public roadway. This being said the state's ONLY interest is that the hazard / blockage gets removed. Why does it matter who removes it? While it may feel punitive at times when your car gets towed it is not the intention. Point of fact: Cars get removed (towed) when parked in front of a fire hydrant not as a function of punishing undesirable behavior but as a function of ensuring that the fire hydrant be available should it be needed.

    AND.... Lets just say it WAS intended to be part of the punishment.... why would you apply the punishment BEFORE someone has a chance to argue their guilt or Innocence. It makes no sense
    thats a fun story but towing their car doesnt impact their due process anymore than pulling them over, detaining them or anything else we already do that is legal.

    so are you saying that when an officer come across a person breaking the law that has a gun or just waving a gun around they shouldnt be able to remove that gun from them, they should get to keep it until their trail date? LMAO

    Sorry if you have no licenses and the car is yours towing it is perfectly just. theres no violation of due process, you car doesnt disappear for ever.

    If that is a violation of due process so is everything
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Why would speeding / parking tickets be unconstitutional?

    At least here in Illinois, you (often) have the option of just acquiescing with the ticket and paying by mail, thus implicitly admitting guilt (I don't remember the last time I had to pay a fine in this manner but I do believe I remember language stating that paying the fine is both a plea of guilty and waiver of your right to trial), or you can go to court and argue the the ticket written was unjustified.
    If you mail in the payment, you admitted guilt... due process has occurred.
    If you go fight the ticket in court (good luck with that btw) either you are determined to be guilty or innocent and yet again due process has occurred.

    Not really sure what you were trying to get at here.
    No due process...
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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No due process...
    On what planet is what Swit described not due process?
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    If you don't have a license and its your car I can't think of a reason why you car shouldn't be towed.

    Nothing that is of merit and a huge impact in reality anyway. Does anybody have anything?
    The way our judicial system works is that the punishment for breaking laws is progressive. We dont usually sentence people to the maximum punishment for the first offence. Whats wrong with giving a warning and insisting that the person go home immediately? This is America not China for ****s sake. Now a second offence though impound the vehicle since the driver shows that they are stupid enough to do it twice they will most likely do it again.

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    Re: Should unlicensed drivers have their vehicles towed when pulled over for an offen

    I will go ahead and reply in good faith, albeit with the caveat that it does not appear you are doing the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thats a fun story but towing their car doesnt impact their due process anymore than pulling them over, detaining them or anything else we already do that is legal.
    POINT 1: As I stated before, it does IF it is intended as a form of punishment as the towing would would be the application of punishment before due process has taken place. If it is NOT intended to be a form of punishment then there can be no argument for not allowing a different licensed driver to remove the vehicle from the roadway (i.e. a passenger that is present at the time of arrest).

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    so are you saying that when an officer come across a person breaking the law that has a gun or just waving a gun around they shouldnt be able to remove that gun from them, they should get to keep it until their trail date? LMAO
    The two situations are not analogous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Sorry if you have no licenses and the car is yours towing it is perfectly just. theres no violation of due process, you car doesnt disappear for ever.
    See point 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    If that is a violation of due process so is everything
    I am not entirely sure you understand the concept of due process.

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