View Poll Results: Is Obama incompetent or lying?

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  • Incompetent. He can't do math, or he is just relying on the CNBC report.

    1 7.69%
  • Intentional. Obama is lying and hoping no one notices he is off by $834.

    5 38.46%
  • No, my math is wrong and you are going to prove it.

    7 53.85%
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Thread: President can't do math. Intentional?

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Wait, now conservatives are bashing Obama for supporting a tax cut?

    Just ****ing kill me now.

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Let's pretend that I'm a Bush supporter (which I am NOT. He is at the top of the list for doing the most damage to the GOP in history - that party needs to be reformatted NOW). So pretending I'm a typical repub "YEAH! IRAQ WAR! LET'S DO STUFF! 9/11 rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb " Does that make the decisions Obama is making more justified? I just don't see where you could possibly be coming from in pointing out Bush's flaws to justify Obama's. Pretty weak.
    Lets see the money that President Bush borrowed from a foriegn country that we are presently engaged in an economic war with is certainly less justified then the money that President Obama wants to help the middle class and the working poor in America with. In answer to your partisan question yes it makes President Obama's decision more justified

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Borrowing money to pay current liabilities is underfunding an obligation......period. If I borrowed money to make a 401k contribution I have underfunded my account since I have a net zero increase in my overall net worth. This isn't semantics, it's reality.
    Convoluted and strange reasoning...make no sense..
    If a man borrows money to make a 401k contribution, its good economic sense IF the cost and interest rate makes this feasible...and of course, the payback must be considered... In realty, the overall gain would be in pennys, not worth it, in my book...But, on a large scale, dollars replace pennys.

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Everyone knows after hundreds of reports on radio, TV, etc., that the $1,000 increase in tax was based on an annual rate. And, it's expected to be extended for at least a full year as this bill was just a bridge to further negotiations. Where have you been? Are you incompetent or lying in the choices you presented?
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 12-23-11 at 01:20 PM.

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    May I ask what obama has done to earn your trust? His bogus numbers are put out there precisely for people like you, people who blindly follow without question. Sad part is how many people like you there are, don't dare do the math yourself, don't ever question your so called leader just follow him over the cliff like a lemming.
    I am going to show you how logic works: I stated I trusted Obama's numbers more than some random person on the internet. This is somewhat entirely different from following blindly. In fact it is the opposite. I questioned the numbers, and did not accept either person's without verification. What is really and actually sad is people who base their belief on what they want to be true, instead of questioning things.
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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    It was an intentional lie. If BO's mouth is open, he's lying about something. The $1,000 savings was based on the payroll tax being lowered for an entire year........all that is being passed is a two month extension. As usual, the drive-by media and the liberal tools will cover The Chosen One by perpetuating his dishonesty. The first affirmative action president can not be allowed to fail.
    And, if he is lying, the right wing media will be all over it. So assuming that he was lying and trying to get away with it when he knows he can't is absurd. He's not that stupid.
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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    After Congress caved in to Harry Reid changing the payroll tax extension from a full year to two months, Barack Obama parroted a math error first reported on CNBC.com that this payroll tax extension would save the average American family $1,000. That is wrong. The Republican bill would have saved the average family $1,000, but the Reid bill they passed will only save the average family $166.

    Obama said this on his facebook page:
    President Obama congratulates members of Congress for reaching an agreement to extend the payroll tax cut: "Because of this agreement, every working American will keep his or her tax cut—about $1,000 for the average family."

    In order for the average family to save $1,000, the average family would have to be making $25,000 a month. I don't make that kind of money. Maybe Obama does.

    So here is the question. They are taking credit for the results of the Republican bill, even though they shot it down and passed the much more anemic Democrat bill. Incompetence or intentionality?
    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    To Red's point of Friday's random numbers: they weren't random. In order for you to save $1,000 as 2% tax savings over two months, you have to divide $1000/.02=$50,000 total income over two months or $25k/mo. Not so random.
    Actually, you are both working from a false assumption. Obama does not mention the time period for which he is figuring the tax cut. He is using the figure which he has been using all along to describe it, which is about 1000 a year, which some one making 50k a year will in fact save. Since Obama mentioned families, that is a roughly correct figure.
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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Borrowing money to pay current liabilities is underfunding an obligation......period. If I borrowed money to make a 401k contribution I have underfunded my account since I have a net zero increase in my overall net worth. This isn't semantics, it's reality.
    But SS isn't like a 401k at all. It's not savings. It's more like insurance.
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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, you are both working from a false assumption. Obama does not mention the time period for which he is figuring the tax cut. He is using the figure which he has been using all along to describe it, which is about 1000 a year, which some one making 50k a year will in fact save. Since Obama mentioned families, that is a roughly correct figure.
    I didn't say the figure wasn't correct: I was just concluding the assumption he must have been making if the savings were $1k/yr (which he has state previously, so it wasn't a huge leap). I think he's spot on in his estimate and that it wasn't random.

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Lets see the money that President Bush borrowed from a foriegn country that we are presently engaged in an economic war with is certainly less justified then the money that President Obama wants to help the middle class and the working poor in America with. In answer to your partisan question yes it makes President Obama's decision more justified
    This is absurd. If I go out and kill an innocent person w/ no history of crime and then you go out and kill a convenience store robber, you cannot claim to be justified in your action simply because I've done something even worse. Your logic is extremely faulty here.

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    Re: President can't do math. Intentional?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    This is the kind of thread that some republicans depend on to keep some of thier supporters from straying, I would say that the same 57% of registered republicans that thought that President Obama was not born in the UNted States would be the same group that thinks that President Obama would be talking about a 1000 dollar savings over two months and that same group would not bother to listen to or read a transcript of his speech. As I read the right wing chain e-mails I receive it is very apparent that the authors of these chain e-mails believe that old saying that if you throw enough s--t against the wall some of it will stick.

    The President states that the payroll tax cut will mean 40.00 a week to a family with an income of 50,000 per year

    Why with all of the things we could have an honest debate about do you want to spend time on this dribble? Do you really think the conservative base is so ignorant that they will not see this for what it is? Or is it that you have a problem with reading or hearing or maybe you can't do simply multiplication and or division
    It is dishonesty. He said it will save the average family $1,000 a year and all his drone followers on his facebook page were writing loving thank you comments about what they are going to do with that $1,000. I'm sorry, $1,000 was the Boehner bill that Democrats shut down. He lied, or he is stupid. Pick one.
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