View Poll Results: Do you vote?

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  • Yes: in all elections (national and local)

    60 61.22%
  • Yes: but only in national and some local

    17 17.35%
  • Yes: but only national

    2 2.04%
  • Maybe: it depends on the election

    7 7.14%
  • No: I'm not old enough, yet.

    1 1.02%
  • No: not at all

    5 5.10%
  • No: I'm not legally permitted

    1 1.02%
  • Other

    5 5.10%
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Thread: Do you vote? (poll)

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you think our Democracy would be made stronger or weaker by more participation by the public into making our Democracy work?
    Honestly? I don't think it would make much of a difference either way.

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Honestly? I don't think it would make much of a difference either way.
    I am glad everyone doesn't feel that way.
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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You're Asian, spud. Hell, your people can't even drive on the right side of the road.
    Am not, Australia hasn't been connected to Asia since Pangea, and I'm not fond of Sushi. And I can drive on the right side of the road, I was the other night until I had to go back to the left lane to avoid a truck.
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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "We the People"
    In that case, weaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I believe that the more people that vote, the more representative is our government.
    While the false dichotomy of the two-party system exists, our government will never be representative, no matter how many people vote.

    Just look at the small sample here at DP. If you were breaking us up into "parties" you'd have a hell of a lot more than just two of them. And we are a relatively small community.

    When you think about 230 million voting-aged people in the US, the idea that a simple two-party dichotomy can actually be representative of the people is a joke.

    And then on top of that, the dichotomy is actually just two largely like-minded groups that only really differ in their views about fairly irrelevant nonsense or the exact way to go about engaging in the same general style of governance.

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Show me a successful Democracy with an apathetic electorate?
    Do you think the US is a successful democracy? If so, then you have your example. Our electorate is definitively apathetic. Even those who do vote, do so thinking that they are voting the lesser of two evils most of the time, which is pathetic.

    If you do not consider the US a successful democracy, then I respond with "Show me a successful democracy" as you are deeming it. (I would personally consider Switzerland an example of a successful democracy, but they are one of the very few countries on the planet that has a truly representative democracy)

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    While the false dichotomy of the two-party system exists, our government will never be representative, no matter how many people vote.

    Just look at the small sample here at DP. If you were breaking us up into "parties" you'd have a hell of a lot more than just two of them. And we are a relatively small community.

    When you think about 230 million voting-aged people in the US, the idea that a simple two-party dichotomy can actually be representative of the people is a joke.

    And then on top of that, the dichotomy is actually just two largely like-minded groups that only really differ in their views about fairly irrelevant nonsense or the exact way to go about engaging in the same general style of governance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Do you think the US is a successful democracy? If so, then you have your example. Our electorate is definitively apathetic. Even those who do vote, do so thinking that they are voting the lesser of two evils most of the time, which is pathetic.

    If you do not consider the US a successful democracy, then I respond with "Show me a successful democracy" as you are deeming it. (I would personally consider Switzerland an example of a successful democracy, but they are one of the very few countries on the planet that has a truly representative democracy)
    I can't come up with another country's system that I think is more representative than ours, and there is nothing I see that locks us in to just voting for two parties. What has not happened is for a third party to build enough support to be viable. Even when we get to that point, we will still be voting for the lesser evil among the three parties or 4 parties, or however many parties.

    The only problem I see with our political system is the influence of corporate money, but that has nothing to do with our voting system.
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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I can't come up with another country's system that I think is more representative than ours
    Then you have an example of a successful democracy with an apathetic electorate.

    Although I'd say that Switzerland's system is far more representative than ours. By a country mile.

    and there is nothing I see that locks us in to just voting for two parties.
    We can vote otherwise, but it doesn't serve any purpose due to the fact that the false dichotomy has taken control of th esystem to the degree that it prevents any third party form being effective.

    What has not happened is for a third party to build enough support to be viable.
    Because the system is designed in a way that prevents it from ever happening. winner-take-all electoral college votes a meaningless popular vote, for example. People vote third party and then the guy they didn't want to win ends up winning (see Clinton winning due to Perot's presence the first go round and W winning because of Nader's presence.).

    Then, despite the fact that these candidates probably had no bearing on the results in their state in any way, and their preferred candidate of the big two parties might even have won their state, they think that the vote that they cast for the third party guy is what caused their hated candidate to win the overall election.

    The system appeals to American arrogance in order to maintain the two-party dichotomy. Americans like to pretend that they are important in the grand scheme of things, when they are probably only important in a very small region of influence. It's a rigged system though that gives the illusion of a representative democracy.

    But many people don't vote because they understand the system is rigged.


    Even when we get to that point, we will still be voting for the lesser evil among the three parties or 4 parties, or however many parties.
    Which will be more representative.

    The only problem I see with our political system is the influence of corporate money, but that has nothing to do with our voting system.
    The system is designed in such a way that it promotes the influence of corporate money. The dogmatic party-line approach wouldn't be as viable in a system that does not maintain the dichotomy and illusion of representation.

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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Tucker nailed it. It's a game of "smoke and mirrors", where the two parties focus on irrelevant issues that emote powerful knee jerk reactions. They create sides but have one underlying motivation, which is to gain a seat of power through corporate influence. You would have to remove the organizing impact that "soft money" has had on politics and legislating through lobby's to even begin to get back to a representative democracy. There's nothing wrong with big industry per se, except as groups they've had too powerful an impact on our system of governing. Decisions are not being made on what's best for society or people as a whole but rather what produces more 1/4 profits for the bottom line. The Tea Party will go the way of the Green Party into being absorbed and diffused without big sponsors.
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    Re: Do you vote? (poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then you have an example of a successful democracy with an apathetic electorate.

    If more were involved, it would be a more successful democracy IMO.

    Although I'd say that Switzerland's system is far more representative than ours. By a country mile.
    I wouldn't. I stay in contact with some folks that live in Switzerland who are constantly frustrated at how slow it is to get anything passed. Women weren't given the right to vote in Switzerland until 1971 on the federal level, and it was 1990 before the last canton was forced by federal court to allow women to vote.


    We can vote otherwise, but it doesn't serve any purpose due to the fact that the false dichotomy has taken control of th esystem to the degree that it prevents any third party form being effective.

    Because the system is designed in a way that prevents it from ever happening. winner-take-all electoral college votes a meaningless popular vote, for example. People vote third party and then the guy they didn't want to win ends up winning (see Clinton winning due to Perot's presence the first go round and W winning because of Nader's presence.).

    Then, despite the fact that these candidates probably had no bearing on the results in their state in any way, and their preferred candidate of the big two parties might even have won their state, they think that the vote that they cast for the third party guy is what caused their hated candidate to win the overall election.

    The system appeals to American arrogance in order to maintain the two-party dichotomy. Americans like to pretend that they are important in the grand scheme of things, when they are probably only important in a very small region of influence. It's a rigged system though that gives the illusion of a representative democracy.

    But many people don't vote because they understand the system is rigged.
    I think that is a cop out. If we had local and state governments filled by third party candidates, but they still couldn't get elected to national office, I might buy it.
    What seems more realistic to me is that there has not been a strong grassroots effort for a particular third party because there hasn't been one yet that appeals to the majority of the country.

    Which will be more representative.
    You've still got to build the broad based support for a particular third party. That is the step that has been missing.

    The system is designed in such a way that it promotes the influence of corporate money. The dogmatic party-line approach wouldn't be as viable in a system that does not maintain the dichotomy and illusion of representation.
    What's your solution?
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