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    Freedom vs Safety

    Which do you value most -- freedom or safety?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    You begin with a fallacious false premise. This is not a choice of one excluding the other.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value both. And you need both. But I would not trade possible safety concerns for freedoms, which is what I think you are really asking. Being scared of what might happen isn't reason to lose freedoms.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Vague generalities lead to inaccurate assessments. In the very broad premise that is presented, if you are dead you have no freedoms, so safety is obviously more important. When looking at the two, there are tradeoffs that have to be made. You can certainly arrive at a position of mostly free and mostly safe where both are acceptable.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Freedom for whom? Freedom for employers to let working people die to save them a few dollars? Freedom from fear for working people? Safety for the very rich to make profits? Safety for the world's people from armed invasion? Things are a little more complex than the teabags pretend, you know.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value my freedom to be safe.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I would argue that "safety" is not what people are looking for...it's certainty. Hate to say I was influenced by a movie with this thinking, but the Joker's speech to Dent in the hospital is germane here:

    Nobody panics when the expected people get killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plans are horrifying. If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die, everyone loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.

    Also, I would say that people want the right of self-determination, not "freedom". Most people want to live under a certain set of rules and guidelines, it's just that they want to live under ones in accord with their own moral makeup.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I voted freedom... but to be honest, the question is really much more complex than that.

    A certain level of order and safety is necessary for freedom to be worth much. Somalia, for instance... you can be as free as you have the armed might to enforce, but no more. Someone with more armed might can come along and kill you or take what you have. That's anarchy.

    Too much order strangles freedom, too little order makes freedom of little value. Excessive concern over safety can infringe of freedom, but too much lassiez-faire and caveat-emptor can make freedom too perilous to exercise.

    There's a certain balance that maximizes the real value of freedom, and in recent years I've become convinced of the necessity for gov't to prevent overwhelmingly powerful private concerns (ie corporations, for one) from trampling the rights of the individual.

    However much we may wish it were not so, no man is an island. We exist as part of a society, and there is an inevitable give and take.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Freedom without safety isn't freedom, safety without freedom isn't safety...I highly value both
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Neither. I value honor. As long as the government behaves honorably, and allows me to behave honorably, then freedom and security will take care of themselves.

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