View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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    35 62.50%
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    5 8.93%
  • About the same for each

    14 25.00%
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Thread: Freedom vs Safety

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Now we have a substantially increased amount of scrutiny on ourselves, with minimal (if any at all) effect on whether or not we'll actually be subject to a terrorist attack by foreigners.

    Freedom and safety are both very important, but the illusion of safety is worthless, and sacrificing freedom to allay a panic is disastrous.
    I agree with what you express here. Would like to "like" your post, but can't...not option for that on some posts? I'm new, and haven't figured out the finer points of posting here, yet.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Freedoms are eroded daily by local and state and federal government rules and regulations masked to look as if they are for our benefit whem they arenothing more than the continual encroachments on our freedoms and liberties as those enjoyed by many generations before us.
    Sad, but true.

    Dammit...won't let me "like" this one, either. Gotta figure this out.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    So far, I like your posts. I find the logic and sensibility refreshing.
    We have seen the enemy and he is us.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Well said.
    We have seen the enemy and he is us.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    If you live by the gun you die by the gun. So I value my safety to be free from guns.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value both, since I wouldn't want to live in a world without either.
    If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Humans being human. There's lots of stupidity out there, like trading freedom for perceived safety.
    Who's talking about perceived safety, Ikari? I know the world is much safer the more of these idiots we take off the street. Take the OWS individuals (please!!!)... we'd all be a lot safer if they were locked up and the key thrown away.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Whereas I feel much safer when others are restrained from making the stupid decisions that they so often make.
    That is like restraining gravity. Good luck restraining stupid people from being stupid.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value both equally. However, technology is changing the world so much that we may NEED to sacrifice some freedom to achieve safety, that was not that way in the past.

    Originally, cavemen fought with fists and rocks, and one man could only kill one man at a time (also true with swords), when the opponent was up close. Bow's extended mans reach so he could kill people farther away, and have time to reload and fire, and one could kill several before they got to him. Firearms extended the reach, and repeating firearms the rapidity with which one could kill. Airplanes and bomb technology has progressed so one can kill hundreds and even thousands, from quite a distance.

    Add the threats of chemical, biological, and simple nuclear devices (dirty bomb), and one person, with easily concealed weapons, can kill thousands, and YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THE ATTACKER WAS!

    This recent development augers for a change in the rules of freedom. We have all surrendered some of our freedom. When we go on an airplane, none of us "just wanted to get x-rayed and take our shoes off" for the fun of it, but we have to prevent terrorists with weapons from getting on planes (although a terrorist in an airport terminal with high capacity semi auto or full auto weapons opening fire before going through the xray machine would be a disappointing day). The only way I see to try to ward off WMD attacks is increased spying on terror suspects (foreign or domestic). To say we have a wide open society with no controls in this day when one person with WMD can kill hundreds or thousands does not make sense to me. It does place an expensive unproductive drag on the society, but what are we going to do instead?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is like restraining gravity. Good luck restraining stupid people from being stupid.
    There's a very simple way. Very small lead injections at the first sign of stupidity. Found to be 100% effective in ensuring they don't do it again, when properly applied.

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