View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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    35 62.50%
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    5 8.93%
  • About the same for each

    14 25.00%
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Thread: Freedom vs Safety

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is this your answer to my question?
    Yes, come back when your statements are not so profoundly stupid.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, come back when your statements are not so profoundly stupid.
    I'm sorry that you found my question to be stupid.

    Do you consider Stop lights, Stop signs, and Don't Walk signs, to be an unacceptable infringement upon your civil rights?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm sorry that you found my question to be stupid.

    Do you consider Stop lights, Stop signs, and Don't Walk signs, to be an unacceptable infringement upon your civil rights?
    Of course not, those are in general efficiency rules for use of public roads. It was learned the hard way (such as the yellow light). As I said previously, it is oft foolish to surrender freedom for perceived increases in safety. However, that is not a statement of anarchy as you seemingly want to take it as. There are many rules put forth for the protection of our rights and liberties and those laws are just.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe stupid statements are stupid. Thanks for the hyperbole, come back when you want to discuss this with any shred of intellectual honesty.
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    Yes, come back when your statements are not so profoundly stupid.
    That could be a very, very long wait.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

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    Freedom vs SafetyLet's assume for a second, despite evidence to the contrary, that the people we're arguing with are reasonable gentlemen and treat them as such, shall we?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so you TOO believe that Stop signs, Stop lights, and Don't Walk signs, are tyrannical?
    I'm not sure I understand this... Do you think that those traffic regulations don't drastically cut down on accidents? Both Ikari and I stated that some freedom must give way to safety, but that perceived safety is worthless. There is great social utility in people not crashing cars into each other. Freedom does not necessarily suggest anarchy. Remember how my freedom to swing my fist stops at your face? My freedom to drive my car as I like ends when I endanger others, and we collectively agreed that lights and signs are a good way to keep ourselves safe, and we have the stats to back up that presumption.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I don't know who you are poster nor do I care. I suggest strongly that you readjust your spectacles and reread my post as written and not make implications based on your thought processes as I did not use thise when I wrote my post. I was far away in a land where freedoms were a memory yet felt very safe with when alone or with my comrades. Everyone measures safety and freedom in a different manner. I don't have to have a cop at my front door to feel safe, some folks have to have one in each room of their home to feel safe.

    Freedoms are eroded daily by local and state and federal government rules and regulations masked to look as if they are for our benefit whem they arenothing more than the continual encroachments on our freedoms and liberties as those enjoyed by many generations before us.

    And you call that starnge thinking huh? Reading your post causes me to wonder about the thinking methods you employ friend poster or should I say earthworm. hahahahahaha!
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    earthworm- By the by oof you happen to take the time to review the initial thread question it was merely, "Which do you value more freedom or safety?" Nothing more, nothing less. Your examples cited of an auto accident and yelling fire in a crowded theater did not come close being a reasonable answer to this very simple question in the manner in which it was stated. Your serve!
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Great post! Especially this...

    There's a certain balance that maximizes the real value of freedom, and in recent years I've become convinced of the necessity for gov't to prevent overwhelmingly powerful private concerns (ie corporations, for one) from trampling the rights of the individual.
    We have seen the enemy and he is us.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Good post, my friend. Silly system won't allow me to "like" it. Good to see you here!
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