View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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    35 62.50%
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    5 8.93%
  • About the same for each

    14 25.00%
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ...Yes, why should I have to wear a helmet or wear my seatbelt? This isn't even safety of others like some of the other issues that I disagree with, this is just my safety which is even more ridiculous. Why can't I have control over it?

    Yes. I shouldn't have to put safety devices in my home or make sure they all work.

    And besides they are ****ing annoying. Which one is ****ing beeping?! LETS FIND WALDO!

    There is different levels of tyranny.
    so you believe that The People, should allow everyone to make seriously dangerous decisions that put their lives in serious jeapordy?

    I guess this means you believe in the legalization of crack cocaine, heroine, meth, etc?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Already dealt with.



    Yes, why should I have to wear a helmet or wear my seatbelt? This isn't even safety of others like some of the other issues that I disagree with, this is just my safety which is even more ridiculous. Why can't I have control over it?



    Yes. I shouldn't have to put safety devices in my home or make sure they all work.

    And besides they are ****ing annoying. Which one is ****ing beeping?! LETS FIND WALDO!



    There is different levels of tyranny.
    Strange that I would agree with Henrin ... to a degree.
    I am against the helmet laws and the seat belt laws.
    I do drive about with the belt a-hanging; but I do use it when I feel that I should.
    I am against forcing people to do what others think is better for them....

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you believe that The People, should allow everyone to make seriously dangerous decisions that put their lives in serious jeapordy?

    I guess this means you believe in the legalization of crack cocaine, heroine, meth, etc?
    Yes, I do believe in that. People should be allowed to do what they want unless it DOES result in harm.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I do believe in that. People should be allowed to do what they want unless it DOES result in harm.
    oh, so we should have total freedom..unless its harms oneself by your standards?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh, so we should have total freedom..unless its harms oneself by your standards?
    I put forward the idea that if your action violated the rights of another you should be held accountable but not before that time.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I put forward the idea that if your action violated the rights of another you should be held accountable but not before that time.
    crossing the street against the light, puts others at great risk.

    driving though a stop sign, puts others at great risk.

    you see that...right?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    perhaps you should take a trip to North Korea someday, and experience REAL tyranny.
    …or New York City. (Get a rope!)
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    …or New York City.
    yeah, New York City has just as much tryanny as North Korea.

    sounds like you have no idea what TRUE tryanny is.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    In the context of the increased security measures that we deal with every day as a result of the war on terror, I said freedom. By abandoning the freedom that we hold dear, we became less like ourselves and more like our enemies. But to be even more specific, the illusion of safety is worthless. We are actually no more in danger from terrorism than we were ten or twenty years ago. 9/11 was an incredible longshot and we could have continued, without changing anything, without actually being in more danger. Now we have a substantially increased amount of scrutiny on ourselves, with minimal (if any at all) effect on whether or not we'll actually be subject to a terrorist attack by foreigners.

    Freedom and safety are both very important, but the illusion of safety is worthless, and sacrificing freedom to allay a panic is disastrous.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Vague generalities lead to inaccurate assessments. In the very broad premise that is presented, if you are dead you have no freedoms, so safety is obviously more important. When looking at the two, there are tradeoffs that have to be made. You can certainly arrive at a position of mostly free and mostly safe where both are acceptable.
    Mostly free....I'l put that one right up there with tony hayward's 'little people'' and queen pelosi's 'got to pass the bill to know what's in it'.your dog is mostly free.because it has a .....master.
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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