View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bad things happen anyway. You don't avoid bad things with prevention tactics, you just destroy liberty.
    So putting that double yellow line down the middle of the street does not prevent bad things from happening on that road every day that thousands of cars drive on it?

    Do you want the 'liberty' (what ever the hell that means,) to drive anywhere you want to on that road? Do you defend the 'liberty' of others to use the road as they please? Or do you believe in laws designed with prevention in mind?
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So putting that double yellow line down the middle of the street does not prevent bad things from happening on that road every day that thousands of cars drive on it?
    No, I really don't find it saves lives. Just like I don't really think speed limits do much anything.

    Do you want the 'liberty' (what ever the hell that means,) to drive anywhere you want to on that road? Do you defend the 'liberty' of others to use the road as they please? Or do you believe in laws designed with prevention in mind?
    Kind of a pointless question.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People would be aware of the danger? /Shrug
    and some fools would try to beat the cars, since its no longer illegal.

    Don't Walk lights save lives.

    ....and you think this is an unjust attack upon liberty & freedom.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and some fools would try to beat the cars, since its no longer illegal.

    Don't Walk lights save lives.

    ....and you think this is an unjust attack upon liberty & freedom.

    Some people are retarded and try to beat the cars now, run stop lights, speed, pass on double yellow lines when there is not a opening, drink and drive, etc. The argument of many you save with this measures is almost entirely academic. You save some yes, but the cost of doing it usually causing no harm so you are being punished for it far outweighs it. If harm does occur usually you are dealing with other charges anyway.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Some people are retarded and try to beat the cars now, run stop lights, speed, pass on double yellow lines when there is not a opening, drink and drive, etc. The argument of many you save with this measures is almost entirely academic. You save some yes, but the cost of doing it usually causing no harm so you are being punished for it far outweighs it. If harm does occur usually you are dealing with other charges anyway.
    Not to have law benefits only the very powerful. That is why the capitalists want it: they can kill everyone else and not pay compensation.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Not to have law benefits only the very powerful. That is why the capitalists want it: they can kill everyone else and not pay compensation.
    I didn't say not to have laws and capitalists do believe in laws. I should know, I am one after all.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Without some safety there I can’t exercise any freedom. And, sometimes without freedom I can’t achieve my safety. What was your poll again?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value both. We live out in the country by choice. We can have our livestock and the whole neigborhood is full of barkey dogs. However, I'm pretty sure nobody on our block has a meth lab, yet. So, generally your freedom is okay with me, as long as it doesn't indanger my safety.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    —Benjamin Franklin—
    that's nice, but do you believe that Stop Lights & Don't Walk signs take away essential freedom?

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