View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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Thread: Freedom vs Safety

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I value the freedom to promote my own safety.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Which do you value most -- freedom or safety?
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    everything is circumstantial and they are not always separate sometimes they are very much intertwined.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    There is breaches and there is punishing of crimes. Freedom wins over safety period. If you want safety you want to be controlled regardless of how much safety you want. Liberty doesn't include the ability to harm others in a society so naturally there you go, punish the crimes nothing more. There is your answer to a question that is obvious.

    People naturally want safety so they use prevention techniques and struggle to find a balance unaware there is no balance of preventative techniques. I doubt the majority of people will ever figure it out either.
    Last edited by Henrin; 12-31-11 at 08:15 AM.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I voted freedom... but to be honest, the question is really much more complex than that.

    A certain level of order and safety is necessary for freedom to be worth much. Somalia, for instance... you can be as free as you have the armed might to enforce, but no more. Someone with more armed might can come along and kill you or take what you have. That's anarchy.

    Too much order strangles freedom, too little order makes freedom of little value. Excessive concern over safety can infringe of freedom, but too much laissez-faire and caveat-emptor can make freedom too perilous to exercise.

    There's a certain balance that maximizes the real value of freedom, and in recent years I've become convinced of the necessity for gov't to prevent overwhelmingly powerful private concerns (ie corporations, for one) from trampling the rights of the individual.

    However much we may wish it were not so, no man is an island. We exist as part of a society, and there is an inevitable give and take.
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    I also voted "freedom" - the result of being American...
    "Safety" is, IMO, out of control.
    Buy any product, and one is barraged with the "safety-nazi" agenda..
    I'd love to have some freedom from this.
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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    I would to have the freedom to cross the street whenever I like, but that would put my safety in serious jeapordy.

    I would love to drive my car without a seatbelt, but that would put my safety in serious jeapordy.

    You see, there needs to be a balance between safety & freedom, otherwise bad things happen.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I would to have the freedom to cross the street whenever I like, but that would put my safety in serious jeapordy.

    I would love to drive my car without a seatbelt, but that would put my safety in serious jeapordy.

    You see, there needs to be a balance between safety & freedom, otherwise bad things happen.
    Bad things happen anyway. You don't avoid bad things with prevention tactics, you just destroy liberty.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bad things happen anyway. You don't avoid bad things with prevention tactics, you just destroy liberty.
    no, making it illegal to cross the street against the light, saves lives. many...many lives.

    is my freedom destroyed..because I can't cross the street while cars are driving by?


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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, making it illegal to cross the street against the light, saves lives. many...many lives.

    is my freedom destroyed..because I can't cross the street while cars are driving by?

    Do you really know it saves lives or are you just assuming it does?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you really know it saves lives or are you just assuming it does?
    you're actually asking me if don't walk signals actually save lives??????????????????

    what do you think would happen if we allowed folks to cross the street whenever they like?


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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you're actually asking me if don't walk signals actually save lives??????????????????

    what do you think would happen if we allowed folks to cross the street whenever they like?

    People would be aware of the danger? /Shrug

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