View Poll Results: Freedom vs Safety: Which do you value most?

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    anyone who thinks safety concerns can never be used to trump "freedom", is an Anarchist.
    Only through liberal use of hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty. The statement in the OP was so vague, we could only answer in the general sense anyway.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Both freedom and safety because one without the other is useless.
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It cost some money, that's not safety. Hell they cost us less than Bush/Obama have cost us on undeclared foreign wars.
    Money can most definitely be safety; especially in this sort of situation. They also cost us the services of LEO's who were required to police their asses rather than being out dealing with other things.

    As for those foreign wars, I agree. We should have just CARPET NUKED Afghanistan and Iraq and been done with it by the 15th of September, 2001.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Money can most definitely be safety; especially in this sort of situation. They also cost us the services of LEO's who were required to police their asses rather than being out dealing with other things.
    Cost of freedom. Better than the alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    As for those foreign wars, I agree. We should have just CARPET NUKED Afghanistan and Iraq and been done with it by the 15th of September, 2001.
    Yeah...that certainly would have no blowback.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Cost of freedom. Better than the alternative.
    On that we will have to totally disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah...that certainly would have no blowback.
    Don't start a fight you are not both willing to and capable of winning. A bit of wisdom I was taught early in life and that the US Military/Government would be well off to take much more to heart.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    On that we will have to totally disagree.
    Of course. It's long been established that my goal is the proliferation of freedom, while yours is the institutionalization of freedom. Maybe you should just pull up stakes and move to China or some other commie country and tell me how well slavery works for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Don't start a fight you are not both willing to and capable of winning. A bit of wisdom I was taught early in life and that the US Military/Government would be well off to take much more to heart.
    Indeed, and nuking some country in that region would have negative consequences. We'd see a real rise in terrorism against us. This problem cannot be solved through genocide.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course. It's long been established that my goal is the proliferation of freedom, while yours is the institutionalization of freedom. Maybe you should just pull up stakes and move to China or some other commie country and tell me how well slavery works for you.
    Not a fan of Communism. Just Authoritarianism. If I could find such a nation, I'd be there very quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, and nuking some country in that region would have negative consequences. We'd see a real rise in terrorism against us. This problem cannot be solved through genocide.
    You seem to be under the mistaken belief that we're not already at war with every other nation in the world. We take a body blow every day that crap from these foreign countries crosses our borders and American citizens buy it. We take a head shot every time another American company opens business in other countries and/or ships even a single job overseas. I'm a Nationalist and an Isolationist. If we can't do it or make it here, WE DON'T NEED IT.

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Not a fan of Communism. Just Authoritarianism. If I could find such a nation, I'd be there very quickly.
    Commie countries are a perfect example of authoritarianism and unchecked government. With any form of extremely authoritative state, you'll always get something similar to the Commie countries. So commrad, go and run the experiment. Come back and tell us how much you actually enjoy slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You seem to be under the mistaken belief that we're not already at war with every other nation in the world. We take a body blow every day that crap from these foreign countries crosses our borders and American citizens buy it. We take a head shot every time another American company opens business in other countries and/or ships even a single job overseas. I'm a Nationalist and an Isolationist. If we can't do it or make it here, WE DON'T NEED IT.
    Those are not reasons for war.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Commie countries are a perfect example of authoritarianism and unchecked government. With any form of extremely authoritative state, you'll always get something similar to the Commie countries. So commrad, go and run the experiment. Come back and tell us how much you actually enjoy slavery.
    No they are not, because their form of Authoritarianism is based on a totally incorrect social structure. I'm looking for something much closer to Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are not reasons for war.
    So far as I'm concerned the ONLY foreign policy of the US should be this..... "No American Citizen will have anything to do with any person or country outside of the borders of the United States. Anyone from outside of those borders who attempts to contact or otherwise influence any person or other interest inside the US will immediately forfeit their life to the military might of the United States."

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    Re: Freedom vs Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No they are not, because their form of Authoritarianism is based on a totally incorrect social structure. I'm looking for something much closer to Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" universe.
    So in pursuit of your fictional government which would never exist on the level and in the way it did in that book, you seek to take my freedom and liberty. Remember when you said that stupid people should be put down at the first sign of stupid? Are you willing to go adhere to your own policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So far as I'm concerned the ONLY foreign policy of the US should be this..... "No American Citizen will have anything to do with any person or country outside of the borders of the United States. Anyone from outside of those borders who attempts to contact or otherwise influence any person or other interest inside the US will immediately forfeit their life to the military might of the United States."
    Your own irrationalities are not proper reason to use government force against the rights and liberties of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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