View Poll Results: Should government entities have any privacy or personal info protected(read op)?

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    When the government spies on it's citizens.

    When the government spies on it's citizens should government entities(law enforcement,elected and appointed officials, intelligence,military and etc) have any privacy or personal info protected?

    Yes regardless of the government entity.
    Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)
    No
    Other
    I do not know.

    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
    I tend to agree with this, as well. One side isn't automatically more pure and righteous than the other. To me, it's a natural check/balance.

    I picked "Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)" because I do feel there should be exemptions for legitimate national security, but then the government has been prone to exaggerating what national security really is, so I'm not real solid on this choice.
    Last edited by radcen; 12-21-11 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Posting cops home addresses is not cool.

    Posting Poindexters(?) Personal information after he was crowing about Total Spectrum Awareness (Carnivore), was poetry.

    Its all about time, place, and relevance.

    "Outing" philandering "family values" types is fine for this reason. Hypocrisy should be punished, and turnabout is fair play.
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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When the government spies on it's citizens should government entities(law enforcement,elected and appointed officials, intelligence,military and etc) have any privacy or personal info protected?

    Yes regardless of the government entity.
    Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)
    No
    Other
    I do not know.

    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
    Nope, I believe that governments should fear their people and act accordingly.
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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When the government spies on it's citizens should government entities(law enforcement,elected and appointed officials, intelligence,military and etc) have any privacy or personal info protected?

    Yes regardless of the government entity.
    Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)
    No
    Other
    I do not know.

    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
    When one group of people is able to act against another group of people without repercussion is the ultimate definition of tyranny and oppression.

    So is when one group of people has protections that another group of people cannot enjoy.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    The CIA is the only government entity that should be allowed secrecy. They cannot do their jobs if it's common knowledge who they are and where they live.

    This however should never be abused in a way that hurts the general populous. There should be heavy penalties for a breach of that trust.
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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When the government spies on it's citizens should government entities(law enforcement,elected and appointed officials, intelligence,military and etc) have any privacy or personal info protected?

    Yes regardless of the government entity.
    Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)
    No
    Other
    I do not know.

    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
    The government as an entity has very little privacy. Most people working in the government have zero say in the government and any monitoring/spying on other Americans, even those who might do so as part of their job.
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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When the government spies on it's citizens should government entities(law enforcement,elected and appointed officials, intelligence,military and etc) have any privacy or personal info protected?

    Yes regardless of the government entity.
    Yes depending the government entity.(please specify)
    No
    Other
    I do not know.

    I ask this question because in a occu-tard thread about some occu-tard protesters hacking and posting addresses of some police officers another poster brought a very valid point.The government does worse and spies on the American people,so how can they expect to have any privacy themselves or expect their personal info to be protected. I actually agree with that point.
    Government policy and personal behavior are two completely different things.

    Government can print money. Individuals cannot.
    Government can execute people. Individuals cannot.
    Government can wage war. Individuals cannot.

    To the extent the government spies on its citizens those are persons of interest under investigation. Individuals hacking government computers and publicizing the home addresses of police officers is a crime and totally different situation. I don't see how anyone can rationally equate the two. Besides, "two wrongs don't make a right."

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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    The government should never have unlimited access to anyone. Now if there is a known terrorist about to do something dangerous, they should be granted "limited" access to information and electronic devices but only after a warrant is issued and not a "blanket warrant" either. Their family should not be harassed unless there is information indicating they too are known terrorists. Anything broken in the suspects home should be replaced by the government if they in fact do any damage.

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    Re: When the government spies on it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The government as an entity has very little privacy. Most people working in the government have zero say in the government and any monitoring/spying on other Americans, even those who might do so as part of their job.
    Those who do that as part of job are doing it out of there own free will,this makes them free game for citizens to spy on them and post certain info.Those who engage in spying should have no problem with other people spying on them or reveling personal info.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 12-23-11 at 08:37 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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