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Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

Should white supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?


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so your poll is based on groups you don't like being able to post. i see. :roll:

Personally, I dislike those groups. I'm asking what you think about white supremacist being allowed to talk. Then I stated that I see that other groups I dislike, such as hate groups and failed political groups, are also allowed to speak and some are even given respect.

It's not a difficult concept.
 
I respectfully disagree. I dislike communists, or should I say "people who try to apply communism," moreso than white supremacists. Not sure how that's a ridiculous presentation.

Your dislike is not the issue. Dislike all you like. Communists didn't kill more than Nazis. AUTHORITARIANS/DICTATORS masquerading as communists did.
 
Personally, I dislike those groups. I'm asking what you think about white supremacist being allowed to talk. Then I stated that I see that other groups I dislike, such as hate groups and failed political groups, are also allowed to speak and some are even given respect.

It's not a difficult concept.

its very silly and a tad ignorant, to compare White Supremacy with Communism.
 
Personally, I dislike those groups. I'm asking what you think about white supremacist being allowed to talk. Then I stated that I see that other groups I dislike, such as hate groups and failed political groups, are also allowed to speak and some are even given respect.

It's not a difficult concept.

Being allowed to speak and given respect are two different things. There are plenty of groups I have little respect for. There are also individuals INSIDE of those groups that I do respect... just as there are individuals that I do not respect inside of groups I DO. But, as I said, if they are within the rules, pretty much anyone can post at DP.
 
Personally, I dislike those groups. I'm asking what you think about white supremacist being allowed to talk. Then I stated that I see that other groups I dislike, such as hate groups and failed political groups, are also allowed to speak and some are even given respect.

It's not a difficult concept.

please stop. "groups you don't like" is not a valid comparison.
 
Being allowed to speak and given respect are two different things. There are plenty of groups I have little respect for. There are also individuals INSIDE of those groups that I do respect... just as there are individuals that I do not respect inside of groups I DO. But, as I said, if they are within the rules, pretty much anyone can post at DP.

And if I might add...

DP isn't a democracy or a Republic. It's a private entity outside the jurisdiction of the government (in Constitutional terms)...so nobody has the right to freely speak nor the right to be heard. Its all at the discretion of the owner(s) of this website.
 
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please stop. "groups you don't like" is not a valid comparison.

To you, no. To me? Yes.

I very well will compare all the negative groups in history. I hold not just the dictators, but the people of those ideologies responsible for the loss of life. So yes, I will view communists as worse than white supremacists. That is my opinion. You have a different opinion. That's alright. Will I "please stop" and conform to your opinion? I think not.
 
To you, no. To me? Yes.

I very well will compare all the negative groups in history. I hold not just the dictators, but the people of those ideologies responsible for the loss of life. So yes, I will view communists as worse than white supremacists. That is my opinion. You have a different opinion. That's alright. Will I "please stop" and conform to your opinion? I think not.

thread fail.
 
And if I might add...

DP isn't a democracy or a Republic. It's a private entity outside the jurisdiction of the government (in Constitutional terms)...so nobody has the right to freely speak nor the right to be heard. Its all at the discretion of the owner(s) of this website.

that's right, but the white supremacists have a right to their own website.
 
If my next door neighbor kills me because he doesn't like the color of my eyes...then that offense is as bad as any other hate crime originating from those who claim to be labeled or associated with a group noted for violence.
 
To you, no. To me? Yes.

I very well will compare all the negative groups in history. I hold not just the dictators, but the people of those ideologies responsible for the loss of life. So yes, I will view communists as worse than white supremacists. That is my opinion. You have a different opinion. That's alright. Will I "please stop" and conform to your opinion? I think not.
It's pretty ridiculous to think that people who support a purely economic ideology are worse than people who think that you are inherently inferior to them and probably want you dead just because of your skin color. But then again, you are the same person who liked the posts of a white supremacist on here who was calling you inherently less intelligent than him because you're black a few months ago.
 
I see no reason to be civil & polite to racists, anti-Semites,
homophobes, Islamophobes, and the like.

We know. You don't seem to see much reason to be civil and polite with anyone you disagree with.

Although the options could have been better worded, I selected "Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard)" because of the (to be heard) addition.

Yes. I agree with this. Words are weapons, and any man fit to hold a blade deserves at least the respect to acknowledge that he's dangerous.

As far as I am concerned, white supremacists do not deserve any less consideration than any other enemy-- they are honored foes until they dishonor themselves. It is regrettable that most of them will do so readily when challenged, but I am learning to expect little better from anyone that espouses a strong political philosophy; our diseased culture no longer understands honor, and confuses disrespect for evidence of superiority. You can see it any time we go to war, in the disgusting way that we talk about our enemies.

Just curious, are White Supremacists not permitted to post here at Debate Politics?

Forum Rules said:
18. Hate Messages - Hate Messages delivered via threads, posts, signatures, or PM's are forbidden at Debate Politics. The Moderator Team defines a hate message as any willful wording intended to ridicule, debase, degrade, intimidate, or incite violence and/or prejudicial actions against a group of people based on their race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, or disability. Determined violations of this rule will be subject to incur an immediate revocation of membership. Posting links to any website deemed by the Moderator Team to contain hate messages will also constitute a violation of Rule 18.

White supremacy, and other forms of bigotry, are allowed under Debate Politics rules as long as they fall within the guidelines of Rule 18. I wish that this rule were not necessary because it stifles many opinions that I consider legitimate topics for discussion-- and quite a few of my own political opinions-- but whatever benefit we would gain from allowing people to openly endorse violent or discriminatory policies would be immediately drowned in the torrents of filth that pour forth whenever these topics arise. It is simply impossible to maintain the tone of the forum when people are openly using racial slurs and calling for genocide; stifling legitimate discussion of these issues is an unfortunate side effect.
 
It's pretty ridiculous to think that people who support a purely economic ideology are worse than people who think that you are inherently inferior to them and probably want you dead just because of your skin color. But then again, you are the same person who liked the posts of a white supremacist on here who was calling you inherently less intelligent than him because you're black a few months ago.

There's no need to get personal, TPD.

And yes, I disagree with people who try to apply communism because it fails and people suffer and die. I know that communists don't call for death/racism in their message, yet that usually happens during the application of the theory. Again, it's not a difficult concept.
 
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There's no need to get personal, TPD.
Don't preach to me. It only makes it worse for you.

And yes, I disagree with people who try to apply communism because it fails and people suffer and die. I know that communists don't call for death/racism in their message, yet that usually happens during the application of the theory. Again, it's not a difficult concept.
No one has said it's a difficult concept. It's just idiotic to think people who don't want to kill you (and oftentimes genuinely believe their ideology is good) are worse than people who do want to harm you and others and have in fact spent a great deal of time committing genocide and other acts of violence based solely on the principles of their ideology.
 
The basic tenant of white supremacy is that non-whites should be hated.

I disagree. The basic tenet of white supremacy is that white people are superior to non-white people, and that their superiority to non-white people must be carefully maintained. No different than how I view hominids in relation to other primates, humans in relation to other hominids, or America in relation to other nations. That doesn't mean that I hate aliens, near-humans, or the great apes; it just means that I view them as something different from myself, as a competitor for natural resources.

Hatred isn't the core feature of the ideology, it's the character flaw that attracts people to the ideology in the first place.

Still, we have shared values about building a great society even if we greatly disagree on the means. White Supremacy lacks such a redeeming characteristic as the goal itself is unacceptable in addition to the methods.

White supremacists have shared values about building a great society, too. They just don't think you can build a great society out of non-white people. Like Fascists and Communists, the problem arises from their idea of what a "great society" is, and their methodology for achieving one.
 
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are you going to back this up, or just make a baseless drive-by?

Does he really have to? Do you honestly think you have been respectful etc to people you disagree with on this forum?

I mean I am no angel, so I got no room to talk. I am however not asking anyone to "back up" the obvious truth either.
 
No one has said it's a difficult concept. It's just idiotic to think people who don't want to kill you (and oftentimes genuinely believe their ideology is good) are worse than people who do want to harm you and others and have in fact spent a great deal of time committing genocide and other acts of violence based solely on the principles of their ideology.

That does not change the fact that under the applied theory of communism, many people have suffered and died. I personally hold the appliers of communism responsible, and I will also condemn those who wish to apply communism even now, because based on the instances of the past, I see it as a possibility that more suffering and loss of life would ensue. Death and misery is not inherent in the theory of communism, yet on its application, millions have died.

And yes, I respectfully ask you to not get personal when regarding my argument. I am sure you would not appreciate the same.
 
Does he really have to? Do you honestly think you have been respectful etc to people you disagree with on this forum?...

for the most part, yes.

I am respectful to folks I disagree with on this board. I welcome any evidence to the contrary.
 
Yes but they are complete morons.
 
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