View Poll Results: Should white supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...
    Thanks Ock...

    The key phrase of your comment...FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LISTEN!

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    It's a tough call because in general I think anyone who is willing to make his case respectfully ought to be allowed to post regardless of ideology. However, the white supremacists' views are inherently vitriolic and hateful. I don't know. This is a tough one.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    They have a general human right to free speech, so I vote yes. However, I will not respect such blatant ignorance.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    I've never seen anyone engage in a racist with open, loving arms of agreement - if anyone discusses anything with them it's debating agains their racist views and calling them out on it all.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Its a badly worded poll as it only known a person is a white supremacist if they post messages advocating white supremacy. Thus, the question is should the forum allow advocacy of racial exclusion and superiority as a free recruitment outlet. I still say no. Allowing the forum to become a promo outlet for Stormfront and as another place for racists to rally inherently would lead to a very "white" forum even with negative messages back from other members.
    White supremacists posting racists messages would be a personal attack against every non-white member.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It's a tough call because in general I think anyone who is willing to make his case respectfully ought to be allowed to post regardless of ideology. However, the white supremacists' views are inherently vitriolic and hateful. I don't know. This is a tough one.
    "Inherently vitriolic and hateful" is accurate.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

    I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

    Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

    What are your thoughts on this issue?

    Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

    Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?
    Racial supremacist in general should be allowed to speak on forums assuming they can do it without dehumanizing other races and not use racial slurs.I see no reason why you should show respect to views you strongly disagree with. That said it should be up to who owns the website. Personally if you are a big free speech advocate you should let all sides speak regardless of how stupid their ideas are. Unless the racial supremacists are committing terrorism,murder or assaults they are not evil.They are ignorant and wasting their time on a idiotic issue such as race. They are idiotic like the people who claim Bush stole the elections, lied for war or master minded 9-11,Obama is a Kenyan or muslim, Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot JFK, Big, Lockness monster is real, UFO abductions are real, ghosts really do haunt hotels and other idiotic ****.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    They should be allowed to speak on a forum (unless, of course, they call for crimes, such as murder on an individual or an entire ethnic group -- but I believe that would violate the board policies anyway). But they don't deserve respect. Their ideology is extremely disrespectful towards many people, offensive, so I don't see they deserve a different treatment, until they become respectful too (which would require giving up their ideology in this case).

    The same for communists of a violent variety: Stalinists, Maoists, Castroists or Pol Pot fans don't deserve respect either.

    Liberals, social liberals, social democrats or democratic socialists, who clearly reject socialist dictatorships as the abovementioned, though, do deserve respect. It's become fashionable among certain right-wing circles to smear those kind of people with totalitarist communism, which is pathetic. By the same logic, you could smear Republicans with the accusation of fascism or Nazism.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Yes - I agree that giving a listening ear (or not - I mean: how many people rattle off in the conspiracy forum without anyone actually READING what's being written or taking it seriously? Tehy're just often ignored) is NOT the same as respecting someone.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    White supremacists ideas about race and history are based on patently false ideas, indeed, their very notion of what race is is wrong. I give no respect to people who insist on screeching falsehoods.

    While I agree that Communism has wrought some of the worst destruction and death onto people in history, their ideas are not necessarily false in the way white supremacist views are. They may be unrealistic, utopian, naive or overly simplified, but most political/economic arguments are hard to pin down as "right" or "wrong" because of their slippery nature.

    So yes, I give more credence to Marxists on this board than white supremacists.

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