View Poll Results: Should white supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

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  • No, and they deserve no general respect

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  • Yes, but they deserve no general respect

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  • Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard)

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    for the most part, yes.

    I am respectful to folks I disagree with on this board. I welcome any evidence to the contrary.
    You have been banned far to many times for that to be true. So I am going to have to side with Victor on this one and call bull****.

    Back to the topic..

    CC has pretty much covered my feelings on it, but I have a question...

    I am so tired of race being such an issue. When can we just move on and let racist be racist and fall on their faces without having to fight or redefine what a racist is?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have been banned far to many times for that to be true. So I am going to have to side with Victor on this one and call bull****.......
    wow. what does this have to do with White Supremacists?

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    white supremacists should be heard, if only to understand where their heads are at and why.
    you don't have to agree with them, or respect them though.

    it's simply wise to understand them.


    and Wake, I get it.. I dislike Commies more than White Supremacists too.... but probably for very different reasons than you do.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

    I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

    Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

    What are your thoughts on this issue?

    Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

    Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?
    If the forum owner or moderators allow it, then it shouldn't be a huge deal.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

    I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

    Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

    What are your thoughts on this issue?

    Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

    Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?
    I don't mind the economic construct of communism - some people claim to be communists and don't hate other people and don't speak out against cultures and races with their very politically minded views.

    Racism knows no political bounds - I've seen it form ALL sides of the political spectrum.

    Now: can they cross into eachother: Im sure it does - I just haven't seen it yet.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wow. what does this have to do with White Supremacists?
    Absolutely nothing, but it does answer your response to me. It also shows what you asked to be pointed out.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Question on the poll: Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard). Oh really? Let me get clear on this. Do they "deserve" to be heard? Or do they have a right to be heard?

    Next question. Why do they (as individuals) or as any member of any other organization "deserve" to be heard?

    I saw it posted that as long as they say within the guidelines of this site...then they are welcomed to "participate". That's all the rest of us get to do - is participate.

    I don't ever post on a thread with the belief that I "deserve" to be heard.

    Another member could see my name and immediately jump to another post. They don't have to read or respond to my post. HOWEVER...If they don't do that then how am I being heard?

    Why would I deserve any other posters' attention and that they respond to my every post? That would be the only way to guarantee that I'm being heard.

    My post being read and replied to is the ONLY WAY that I would know that a poster has read my post and has drawn some type of opinion, whether they voice it or not.

    But it does help when they voice their opinion so that they know that I'm hearing them. They "deserve" to be heard just like me.

    This is ridiculous question for this poll.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    I didn't vote because the wording confuses me a bit.
    In short, I guess it would be # 3 because yes...they should be able to speak on forums but it depends on what and how they speak. If they are respectful of differing views and can debate it with others, then fine. But I have yet to see any WS speak about anything other than continual hate and refusal to even discuss why they think the way they do. And that includes black, mexicans, chinese, japanese, middle easterners, etc.

    And of course, the forum they post in. This is not a democracy. This is a message board, managed by mods, with rules. It isn't the wild west where anything and everything goes. And for that, I'm thankful.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...
    He said it much shorter and better than I did..but yeah. What he said. ^

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