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Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

Should white supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?


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wow. what does this have to do with White Supremacists?

Absolutely nothing, but it does answer your response to me. It also shows what you asked to be pointed out.
 
Question on the poll: Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard). Oh really? Let me get clear on this. Do they "deserve" to be heard? Or do they have a right to be heard?

Next question. Why do they (as individuals) or as any member of any other organization "deserve" to be heard?

I saw it posted that as long as they say within the guidelines of this site...then they are welcomed to "participate". That's all the rest of us get to do - is participate.

I don't ever post on a thread with the belief that I "deserve" to be heard.

Another member could see my name and immediately jump to another post. They don't have to read or respond to my post. HOWEVER...If they don't do that then how am I being heard?

Why would I deserve any other posters' attention and that they respond to my every post? That would be the only way to guarantee that I'm being heard.

My post being read and replied to is the ONLY WAY that I would know that a poster has read my post and has drawn some type of opinion, whether they voice it or not.

But it does help when they voice their opinion so that they know that I'm hearing them. They "deserve" to be heard just like me.

This is ridiculous question for this poll.
 
I didn't vote because the wording confuses me a bit.
In short, I guess it would be # 3 because yes...they should be able to speak on forums but it depends on what and how they speak. If they are respectful of differing views and can debate it with others, then fine. But I have yet to see any WS speak about anything other than continual hate and refusal to even discuss why they think the way they do. And that includes black, mexicans, chinese, japanese, middle easterners, etc.

And of course, the forum they post in. This is not a democracy. This is a message board, managed by mods, with rules. It isn't the wild west where anything and everything goes. And for that, I'm thankful.
 
Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...
 
Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...

He said it much shorter and better than I did..but yeah. What he said. ^
 
Even hate speech is speech - so yes they should be allowed to speak and for those who want to listen, they can. No bigots of any color or creed get respect from me...

Thanks Ock...

The key phrase of your comment...FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LISTEN!
 
It's a tough call because in general I think anyone who is willing to make his case respectfully ought to be allowed to post regardless of ideology. However, the white supremacists' views are inherently vitriolic and hateful. I don't know. This is a tough one.
 
They have a general human right to free speech, so I vote yes. However, I will not respect such blatant ignorance.
 
I've never seen anyone engage in a racist with open, loving arms of agreement - if anyone discusses anything with them it's debating agains their racist views and calling them out on it all.
 
Its a badly worded poll as it only known a person is a white supremacist if they post messages advocating white supremacy. Thus, the question is should the forum allow advocacy of racial exclusion and superiority as a free recruitment outlet. I still say no. Allowing the forum to become a promo outlet for Stormfront and as another place for racists to rally inherently would lead to a very "white" forum even with negative messages back from other members.
White supremacists posting racists messages would be a personal attack against every non-white member.
 
It's a tough call because in general I think anyone who is willing to make his case respectfully ought to be allowed to post regardless of ideology. However, the white supremacists' views are inherently vitriolic and hateful. I don't know. This is a tough one.

"Inherently vitriolic and hateful" is accurate.
 
Obviously, I am not a white supremacist. As some know, I am black. Why I ask this question is because I find it particularly interesting. Simply, if white supremacists don't advocate violence, should they be allowed to speak their minds anywhere, from forums and such, and expect at least some respect?

I ask this because I know that communists, whom I regard as a tad worse than white supremacists, are allowed to speak in forums such as this and are given general respect. To my knowledge, communism has killed far more people than Naziism. It is also my understanding that other racial supremacy groups are allowed to speak openly in public, such as the Black Panthers, and are not given the same treatment white supremacists would have probably received. As for communists, they will undoubtedly not appreciate being looked on as something worse than white supremacists. It doesn't matter. Go read a book, some memoirs from communism survivors, and acquaint yourself with the horrors of communism and the pictures of piles of bodies.

Again, I disagree with the white supremacist message completely, yet I see that if they try to speak on a forum such as this, they are bombarded. We know that white supremacists are often punished moreso than other hate groups, and it is also clear that communists are often allowed to speak their mind without ridicule.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

Do you think I shouldn't deem communists worse than white supremacists?

Is it wrong to think all hate groups should be demonized equally?

Racial supremacist in general should be allowed to speak on forums assuming they can do it without dehumanizing other races and not use racial slurs.I see no reason why you should show respect to views you strongly disagree with. That said it should be up to who owns the website. Personally if you are a big free speech advocate you should let all sides speak regardless of how stupid their ideas are. Unless the racial supremacists are committing terrorism,murder or assaults they are not evil.They are ignorant and wasting their time on a idiotic issue such as race. They are idiotic like the people who claim Bush stole the elections, lied for war or master minded 9-11,Obama is a Kenyan or muslim, Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot JFK, Big, Lockness monster is real, UFO abductions are real, ghosts really do haunt hotels and other idiotic ****.
 
They should be allowed to speak on a forum (unless, of course, they call for crimes, such as murder on an individual or an entire ethnic group -- but I believe that would violate the board policies anyway). But they don't deserve respect. Their ideology is extremely disrespectful towards many people, offensive, so I don't see they deserve a different treatment, until they become respectful too (which would require giving up their ideology in this case).

The same for communists of a violent variety: Stalinists, Maoists, Castroists or Pol Pot fans don't deserve respect either.

Liberals, social liberals, social democrats or democratic socialists, who clearly reject socialist dictatorships as the abovementioned, though, do deserve respect. It's become fashionable among certain right-wing circles to smear those kind of people with totalitarist communism, which is pathetic. By the same logic, you could smear Republicans with the accusation of fascism or Nazism.
 
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Yes - I agree that giving a listening ear (or not - I mean: how many people rattle off in the conspiracy forum without anyone actually READING what's being written or taking it seriously? Tehy're just often ignored) is NOT the same as respecting someone.
 
White supremacists ideas about race and history are based on patently false ideas, indeed, their very notion of what race is is wrong. I give no respect to people who insist on screeching falsehoods.

While I agree that Communism has wrought some of the worst destruction and death onto people in history, their ideas are not necessarily false in the way white supremacist views are. They may be unrealistic, utopian, naive or overly simplified, but most political/economic arguments are hard to pin down as "right" or "wrong" because of their slippery nature.

So yes, I give more credence to Marxists on this board than white supremacists.
 
They should be allowed to speak on a forum (unless, of course, they call for crimes, such as murder on an individual or an entire ethnic group -- but I believe that would violate the board policies anyway). But they don't deserve respect. Their ideology is extremely disrespectful towards many people, offensive, so I don't see they deserve a different treatment, until they become respectful too (which would require giving up their ideology in this case).

The same for communists of a violent variety: Stalinists, Maoists, Castroists or Pol Pot fans don't deserve respect either.

Liberals, social liberals, social democrats or democratic socialists, who clearly reject socialist dictatorships as the abovementioned, though, do deserve respect. It's become fashionable among certain right-wing circles to smear those kind of people with totalitarist communism, which is pathetic. By the same logic, you could smear Republicans with the accusation of fascism or Nazism.
Communists, socialists, and marxists of any of the above mentioned varieties never openly promote violence or totalitarianism although they will invariably become a necessary evil to silence dissent and control the masses as they inevitibly discover the people's utopia they have been promised is an unsustainable system of poverty and oppression for the proletariat.

Socialism leads to communism leads to totalitarianism___!00+ million dead dissenters would attest to this had they survived this cold and merciless ideology.
 
White Supremacists have the right to be heard, and the rest of us have the right to condemn their vile & pathological hatred.

Yes, they have a right to be heard, Just like the far left or right and we have a right to condemn the extreme politics of all groups.
 
Respect doesn't enter into it. They have the same right to free speech as anyone else. Of course, on private forums, the owners of the forum make the decisions who can post and who cannot, but in general, everyone has the same rights, no matter how much you might dislike what they have to say.
 
I have a real problem with the term, "RIGHT TO BE HEARD".

There are rules and/or guideline created by the owners of this forum. It doesn't discriminate. Rules allow people to participate as contributors to this forum as long as the stay within the boundaries of the rule.

I would wager that you'll not find anywhere in the rules that says that a member/nonmember has the "right to be heard". They have a right to express their views or opinions as long as it is within the confines of the rule. HOWEVER...they can't force anybody to read those views or opinions even if the conform to the rule.

I would have to assume that any member that makes comments about committing violence against another for any reason would be removed. If any member's sole purpose for participating in this forum was to criticize or intimidate another for any immutable characteristic that he or she might have...would be removed.

Freedom of speech isn't protected in forum. And even under rights of freedom of speech...."WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD".
 
Did you really start a poll asking if RACIST should get respect? Anybody that would ask that does not deserve respect and the racist damn sure do not. Disgusting:(
 
Although the options could have been better worded, I selected "Yes, and they deserve general respect (to be heard)" because of the (to be heard) addition.

I have no respect for anyone whose opinions are based on hate, but I will never know their motivation if they are denied the opportunity to present their case.

I even support the right of communists to to be heard even though they are responsible for more murders, suffering and oppression than any group in the history of the human race.

Just curious, are White Supremacists not permitted to post here at Debate Politics?

You are still here so that would be a NO! White hateful racist are fine as long as they follow the rules.
 
Sure, let them post.

As long as they aren't making racist comments and following the other rules of the forum everything should go over well. If they cause trouble on the forum, well, that's what moderators are for :mrgreen:

Edit: I am extremely tolerant, just about the opposite of a racist. Just answering the question in a logical manner. Allowing them to post does not mean people have to respect what they say, that is for the individual to decide.
 
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Did you really start a poll asking if RACIST should get respect? Anybody that would ask that does not deserve respect and the racist damn sure do not. Disgusting:(
The general respect of being allowed to be heard, as the rest of us are allowed. Emotionally-charged drivel aside, I will ask such questions that make people think.
 
you have to understand that there has never really been a communist system that was actually communist -

Does the absence of a completely free market stop you from denouncing a completely free market? Whatever the hell communism is or wishes to be, I denounce it entirely as unethical and contrary to human action and motivation.
 
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