View Poll Results: Should white supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Wake, given the question you raised, I guess my question is, "how can such a group speak in open forums without at least alluding to violence? They don't really have any other attraction to it's organized groups around the world other than using topics of violence to address their position and solutions on race." The advocating of violence seems to be their vanguard.
    If they don't have actual violence in their message, I don't have much problem. I know that the NAZIs had actual violence in their message. I also understand that communists, or should I say, "people who keep trying to bring about communism," don't have violence in their message yey usually that is the end result.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    your question is about wqhite supremacist groups. bringing communism or nazism in is a logical fallacy.
    Not when I speak of groups I dislike. Thus, why I, yet again, state that I dislike "people who try to bring about communism" more than white supremacists.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Let's not rush.

    This is not absurd, as you claim, because I understand that there has "never been a communist system that has actually been communist." Thus, whoever these people are that continuously try to apply the theory irl, and fail on application, thus resulting in misery and death, I take issue with. That, my friend, is the absurdity. It is absurd to keep trying to apply the theory of communism when doing so would create a utopia---"utopia" is a misnomer, because it means "no place." The people who keep trying to bring about communism are who I detest. Do you have a better name for them, besides communists? Maybe "people who keep trying to apply communism to the real world," Smoke?

    Of course I realize that Naziism isn't the only regime to ever try to extreminate a race. I used them as an example since the issue is white supremacists.

    Alright, so you agree they should be able to speak on a forum like this and, perhaps, not be bombarded with attacks?
    I would tend to agree with you that true communism is basically a non-starter, when you consider human nature.

    However, that is my opinion. It is only an opinion, because it's impossible to prove a negative (i.e. it's never been done, therefore I can't prove that it can't be done). And while I think my opinion is a well-founded one, that does not mean that a person who believes communism could work agrees with me. As far as they're concerned, it could work. They don't believe it would cause misery and death. There is nothing malicious about their position in the least. I just find it profoundly impractical.

    I feel the same way about far-right conservatives that basically want to return to feudalism. I don't believe their intent is malicious. But I still think it's terribly impractical and doomed to failure. Do you hate far-right conservatives and think them malicious? This is especially relevant in light of your recent economic shift.

    I agree they should be allowed to speak anywhere they like. I think they are subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else. Goodness knows there's plenty to scrutinize with white supremacy. I'm not bothered if that amounts to bombardment. However, there is no reason it needs to be necessarily uncivil.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    communism is a join-by-choice hate group? can you explain that to me?

    enlightening to notice that empirica believes white supremacists deserve respect.
    I don't respect white supremist any more than I respect you, but I do respect both your and their right to be heard.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    White supremacists can speak here just like all of us as long as they follow the rules.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Speaking in regards to DP, if a member is not breaking any of DP's rules, anyone can post, even white supremacists. We've had some of them here before. They tend not to last long. They either leave via choice... they get confronted and out-debated so often that they leave and go to places that are easier... where their views are not confronted, or they end up breaking rules and get banned.

    And Wake... your communism presentation is ridiculous... but you've already been told that several times.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This is almost absurd.

    I'm no fan of communism, but before you lump communists in with Stalin, you have to understand that there has never really been a communist system that was actually communist - just like the Nationalist Socialist Party of Nazi Germany wasn't actually socialist, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is not actually democratic. Just because they call themselves that does not mean that's what they are.Secondly, do you think Nazism is the only regime to ever try to exterminate a race? Perhaps you're the one who needs to go read a book.

    Beyond that, yes, white supremacists have the same right to speak as anyone else. Whether they deserve to be respected in doing so is a matter of personal opinion; I can't say I'd blame someone who didn't.
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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    White Supremacists have the right to be heard, and the rest of us have the right to condemn their vile & pathological hatred.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I don't respect white supremist any more than I respect you, but I do respect both your and their right to be heard.
    touche. my choice was that they deserve NO general respect, and wake ****ed up the poll by qualifying your choice. a right to post and a right to be heard are the same thing.

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    Re: Should White Supremacists be allowed to speak on forums/etc?

    I said "I don't know" because it depends on the forums. Forums are not public forums they are owned and operated by someone.

    I don't know about DP (seems very open to different ideas) but not every forum owes you the space to write what you think.

    As for treating them respect. To a certain point everybody should have some sliver of respect. I think you can be respectful while pointing out how ridiculous their viewpoints are!
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