View Poll Results: Do you support theocracies?

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  • I support all theocracies

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  • I am impartial to theocracies

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    I am largely with Tigger on this. I too am unabashedly authoritarian, though I have not thought through any utopian theocratic authoritarian scheme as has he. I would have to side with Blackstone and agree that only until Christ returns that such a regime could be created. To me, respect in society ought to be based more on a persons adherence to God's will rather than how much money they make/stuff they own/women they can get/etc. However, piety can be too easy to fake, masking a dark and corrupt heart.

    The brutal regimes of the Middle East are stifling and enforce shows of piety (a man cannot truly be Godly unless he chooses to be pious), but the carefree regimes of the U.S. and Europe corrupt the soul.

    As a Christian, I am not sure which is worse.

    "But this is got by casting pearl to hogs,
    That bawl for freedom in their senseless mood,
    And still revolt when Truth would set them free.
    Licence they mean when they cry Liberty;
    For who loves that must first be wise and good." --- John Milton
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    There's no tradition of a separate clergy in the indigenous Germanic religions. We weren't ruled by clerics, we were clericked by rulers who would occasionally take counsel from someone known to be elf-wise or particularly close to the gods.

    That works fine for me, but I'm not going to submit to being ruled by someone else's church. As far as Muslim theocracies in north Africa and central Asia go, that's really their business how they govern themselves; we'll see which form of government is better when we're looking back on today from a thousand years in the future.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't really have a real opinion about theocracies in countries that I don't live in. Sure, they're ****ty and backwards as ****, but I neither support or oppose them. That's up to the living under them to decide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    that's really their business how they govern themselves;
    A couple o' Global Citizens right there. Real men of the people. Screw them, I got mine right?


    we'll see which form of government is better when we're looking back on today from a thousand years in the future.
    No, I think it's pretty obvious right now.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    I'm not saying "screw them, I've got mine", I'm saying that if that's the kind of government they want then that is their own ****ing business and we've got no right forcing another on them.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A couple o' Global Citizens right there. Real men of the people. Screw them, I got mine right?




    No, I think it's pretty obvious right now.
    In our opinion only, does not their's count ???
    Remember, one man's trash is another's treasure.
    We must NOT go about thinking that we have the best way of doing things, even if ultimately we are correct.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    To me, respect in society ought to be based more on a persons adherence to God's will rather than how much money they make/stuff they own/women they can get/etc. However, piety can be too easy to fake, masking a dark and corrupt heart.

    The brutal regimes of the Middle East are stifling and enforce shows of piety (a man cannot truly be Godly unless he chooses to be pious), but the carefree regimes of the U.S. and Europe corrupt the soul.

    As a Christian, I am not sure which is worse.
    You truly have difficulty distinguishing the worth of a government which promotes the value of non-sectarian faith and religious institutions in general, prohibitively barred from establishing a national religion, versus that of an Islamic theocracy which seeks to establish a worldwide caliphate, enslaving or killing non-Muslims? Seriously?

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Why or why not?

    Which ones do you / would you support?
    Which are you / would you be against?


    Edit: Also, how do you feel theocracies should be dealt with (or not dealt with) by the international community? Feel free to give real or hypothetical situations to explain your view.
    Like any other dictatorship.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    You truly have difficulty distinguishing the worth of a government which promotes the value of non-sectarian faith and religious institutions in general, prohibitively barred from establishing a national religion, versus that of an Islamic theocracy which seeks to establish a worldwide caliphate, enslaving or killing non-Muslims? Seriously?
    Some might argue that capitalist use of people in third world countries to make disposable consumer goods for first worlders is enslavement, too. If the core of a society is self-satisfaction to the exclusion of acknowledging moral culpability in wrong-doing, its foundation is no more to be admired than a society whose core is a desire for forced religious homogenization.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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