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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So in your own words, right now you are living an immoral life. You are not living by the standards society right now is setting. You do not treat women equally, which is a standard by society that is widely held, so by your own definition you are immoral.
    My apologies. I meant to not "Proper Society" rather than society in general. That has now been corrected. Thank you for pointing it out, and again my apologies for mis-stating it in the first place. Since current American Society has no connection to A Proper Society at all, the rest of your post is immaterial.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm an Authoritarian. I have never made any bones about that. I believe that Morality is the highest calling in life.....
    there is nothing moral about depriving others of freedom.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Generally speaking, I think theocracy is a bad idea.

    My primary reason is that governing tends to corrupt the religion. It is best to keep authority-temporal and authority-spiritual as seperate entities.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    there is nothing moral about depriving others of freedom.
    You folks who feel that Freedom and Liberty are these great and wonderful things always seem to be the same people who side with Mr. Lincoln and his UnConstitutional invasion, conquering, and anexation of a sovereign nation that came about based on those very ideals. Hmmm.

    Freedom and Liberty are only useful within reasonable limitations, Thunder. Just as the Rights of Free Speech and the Bearing of Arms have their limitations, so do Freedom and Liberty need to have theirs. Otherwise you end up with the social anarchy we see in America today.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Freedom and Liberty are only useful within reasonable limitations, Thunder. Just as the Rights of Free Speech and the Bearing of Arms have their limitations, so do Freedom and Liberty need to have theirs. Otherwise you end up with the free society we see in America today.
    edited for accuracy.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    edited for accuracy.
    I don't see a difference between the two phrases. One leads to the other, and that's not something a Proper Society has an interest in seeing happen.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm an Authoritarian. I have never made any bones about that. I believe that Morality is the highest calling in life. Beyond Religion, Culture, Nationality, Society, Family, etc.... To live an Immoral Life is worse than Death itself.

    Moral Decency is very simple.... It is acutally LIVING life by the standards set by A Proper Society. No more paying lip service to the ideals of A Proper Society. . Either you live your life by those rules or you have no place in the Proper Society. You may choose to leave the society completely, live as a second-class resident in the society, or end up facing Punishment when you are found to be living an Immoral Life.

    It would take hours (which I don't have) to explain all the tenants of Moral Decency specifically; but as a general overview you may look at the social order of the Middle East or the era of history from the Middle Ages through the American Colonial period. For a limited idea of how this sort of society might work, see Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" world.
    The problem with your arguments: WHO DEFINES "Moral Decency and Proper Society"? If it were you, you'd constantly raise the bar in order to punish people for their behaviors outside of your perceptions of what those should be. Mao, Stalin and Hilter loved exploiting humanity at their own bidding and based on your obvious hunger to control people, I'm sure that you'd be no more forgiving for those who don't agree with your visions of how the world should live.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The problem with your arguments: WHO DEFINES "Moral Decency and Proper Society"? If it were you, you'd constantly raise the bar in order to punish people for their behaviors outside of your perceptions of what those should be. Mao, Stalin and Hilter loved exploiting humanity at their own bidding and based on your obvious hunger to control people, I'm sure that you'd be no more forgiving for those who don't agree with your visions of how the world should live.
    I've been through this before. I believe there is what I have called a "Universal Morality", defined as the commonality between accepted standards of the successful societies, cultures, and religions over the centuries. It comes out to be somewhere between Colonial America and the current Middle East. THAT is the standard which I would use.

    As for being forgiving.... I'd probably be more forgiving than you might believe. As I said, there is always a place in society for a second, lower tier of individuals who are not required to meet the criteria for citizenship and who foresake all Rights and Privileges as well. It would also be perfectly fine for people to simply LEAVE if they didn't like the way things were being run. It's only when they refuse to leave or to accept their proper place in society (or to attempt to hide their immoral acts) that true Punishment would be necessary.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    "what "I" have called a "Universal Morality" THAT is the standard which I would use.
    Nuff said...

    Woe on this already troubled world if it were in your hands. I'd rather live in Iran than under your rule. It'd be more like living in Syria with you at the helm.

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    Re: Do you support theocracies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I've been through this before. I believe there is what I have called a "Universal Morality", defined as the commonality between accepted standards of the successful societies, cultures, and religions over the centuries. It comes out to be somewhere between Colonial America and the current Middle East. THAT is the standard which I would use.

    As for being forgiving.... I'd probably be more forgiving than you might believe. As I said, there is always a place in society for a second, lower tier of individuals who are not required to meet the criteria for citizenship and who foresake all Rights and Privileges as well. It would also be perfectly fine for people to simply LEAVE if they didn't like the way things were being run. It's only when they refuse to leave or to accept their proper place in society (or to attempt to hide their immoral acts) that true Punishment would be necessary.
    And eventually the people would rise up, and topple that oppressive government.
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