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    How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal | Truthout

    "The real story behind the U.S. withdrawal is how a clever strategy of deception and diplomacy adopted by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in cooperation with Iran outmanoeuvered Bush and the U.S. military leadership and got the United States to sign the U.S.-Iraq withdrawal agreement."

    This seems to be an accurate history of the events leading to the GWBush capitulation regarding the SOFA agreement with Iraq. Iran's background maneuvering is pretty obvious in retrospect. It appears Iraq may have lost the battle and won the war, or something like that, eh?

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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal | Truthout

    "The real story behind the U.S. withdrawal is how a clever strategy of deception and diplomacy adopted by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in cooperation with Iran outmanoeuvered Bush and the U.S. military leadership and got the United States to sign the U.S.-Iraq withdrawal agreement."

    This seems to be an accurate history of the events leading to the GWBush capitulation regarding the SOFA agreement with Iraq. Iran's background maneuvering is pretty obvious in retrospect. It appears Iraq may have lost the battle and won the war, or something like that, eh?
    Wow. A far-left blog. Seriously.
    Your knowledge on foreign matters was always to say....ignorant. This just confirms it
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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    I do recall the broadly held assumption that U.S. troops would maintain a presence in Iraq for decades to come, but I think the OP is pretty thin gruel. It has the facts right, but I think the conclusions it draws are specious.

    There were always calls for time tables, Maliki's requests for one didn't suddenly occur after a meetings with al-Sadr and Iran. Maliki was calling for a troop withdrawal within 16 months in July of '08; troops stayed for an additional two years beyond that.
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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Given this quote.....
    In the end, however, Bush administration officials realised that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, who was then far ahead of Republican John McCain in polls, would accept the same or an even faster timetable for withdrawal. In October, Bush decided to sign the draft agreement pledging withdrawal of all U.S. troops by the end of 2011.
    I would argue BO screwed the Country if this agreement is a POS. The real pressure to sign came from Bush's belief BO would have entered into a far worse agreement.
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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    If keeping 5,000 troops in Iraq to fight terrorists meant that our soldiers would be under the legal control of Iraq, then screw you Iraq.....we iz goin' home.

    adios & salaam alechem.

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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    If keeping 5,000 troops in Iraq to fight terrorists meant that our soldiers would be under the legal control of Iraq, then screw you Iraq.....we iz goin' home.

    adios & salaam alechem.
    I would logically conclude that from an Iraqi point of view that, we the USA, were the terrorists.

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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I would logically conclude that from an Iraqi point of view that, we the USA, were the terrorists.
    Ba'athists, Saddam loyalists, and the Mahdi army would certainly agree. But how tyrannical can an occupier be when, as the OP implies, the government it set up to replace Saddam's pushed them out? That doesn't sound like much of an 'occuppier' to me, nor terrorist.
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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I would logically conclude that from an Iraqi point of view that, we the USA, were the terrorists.
    I think the iraqi girls that were routinely raped by saddams boys would disagree. I think the Kurds would say your theory is BS.
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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Ba'athists, Saddam loyalists, and the Mahdi army would certainly agree. But how tyrannical can an occupier be when, as the OP implies, the government it set up to replace Saddam's pushed them out? That doesn't sound like much of an 'occuppier' to me, nor terrorist.
    In excess of 100,000+ dead Iraqis, devastated infrastructure, women's rights gone, Christians mostly gone, persecution of Baaths, refugees, maimed, homes destroyed, and those are inevitable when you bring war and death to any country and we are the ones who brought the war of choice, same as Libya.

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    Re: How Maliki and Iran Outsmarted the US on Troop Withdrawal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In excess of 100,000+ dead Iraqis, devastated infrastructure, women's rights gone, Christians mostly gone, persecution of Baaths, refugees, maimed, homes destroyed, and those are inevitable when you bring war and death to any country and we are the ones who brought the war of choice, same as Libya.
    Yeah, I'm sure Germany will start another war right now because of the devastation.
    Or perhaps South Korea will start a war with the US
    Give it up. Not only are you looking more and more ridiculous, your claims and stances has been refuted so many times, it would take a small army to track all of them
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